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[Samori Toure]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Indians teaching Africans without Africans having to go to India? Apparently tha's whats happening with Ethiopia.

Over 4500 kilometres – that's the physical distance that an Indian engineering institute is traversing virtually as it teaches students sitting in a class in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.

Many students in Ethiopia are studying engineering and technology in virtual classrooms, with some of their teachers still present in the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Delhi, which is helping that country become tech-savvy.

"Initially, we have a four-year agreement with Ethiopia. Our job is to develop curriculum, set up a laboratory, give teachings both through virtual classroom and face-to-face mode. We are also responsible for students' evaluation. But the degree will be awarded by the Addis Ababa University," said Balakrishnan, a senior professor in the school of computer science at the IIT.

Welcome To India Africa Connect - Africa in India - IIT-Delhi helping Ethiopia become tech-savvy

Do you see this as a problem too?

Distance education has been happening in the USA for quite some time now, so why would that be a problem. No Ethiopian sitting in Addis Ababa is getting their asses kicked by a bunch of Indians in India. That still does not relieve the African nations of investing in their educational systems and in their people.

Again, I have to ask; how is it that ex-slaves in the USA could build over 100 colleges to educate their masses; but African nations with their massive resources can't?

 

[Samori Toure]

Quote the messages where i talk shyt about African-Americans, i have all day ill wait. And do you criticize African-Americans that go to pwis over hbcus

First of all what are pwis? If it is public white institutions, then integrating those schools was part of the policy of the Civil Rights movements, which stands to reason because African Americans were citizens of those States that sponsored those schools and African American tax dollars had been going to support those schools for generations even though African Americans had been blocked from attending. Another point to note is that those schools are in the USA and African Americans didn't have to leave their own countries to go those schools. Fwiw, African Americans still support HBCU and they go to public State schools as well as private universities. Good red herring attempt though.

Secondly, you do talk shyt. You try to cloak your bull in sneaky talk, but it is that same condescending shyt that Africans always try to drop into conversations about African Americans. Note; we got our own shyt.

 

[BigMan]

First of all what are pwis? If it is public white institutions, then integrating those schools was part of the policy of the Civil Rights movements, which stands to reason because African Americans were citizens of those States that sponsored those schools and African American tax dollars had been going to support those schools for generations even though African Americans had been blocked from attending. Another point to note is that those schools are in the USA and African Americans didn't have to leave their own countries to go those schools. Fwiw, African Americans still support HBCU and they go to public State schools as well as private universities. Good red herring attempt though.

Secondly, you do talk shyt. You try to cloak your bull in sneaky talk, but it is that same condescending shyt that Africans always try to drop into conversations about African Americans. Note; we got our own shyt.

Quote the messages where i talk shyt about African-Americans, i have all day ill wait. And do you criticize African-Americans that go to pwis over hbcus

 

[frankster]

Invasion and migration aren't the same thing at all. Invasion implies that some foreign european population entered the indian subcontinent, subjugated, and forced its ideals and way of life onto a dark skinned native population. This is eurocentric historical pornography that has no basis in reality. Migration theory favors a more organic assimilation of indo-european language speakers within a society whose native population spoke their own language and had their own culture. Over time the two cultures combined into what we know as Indian society today. Nobody knows what really happened. The latter theory is almost exclusively centered around linguistic evidence for the simple fact that there is no physical or genetic evidence for any of that stuff you linked in your other post.

My point still stands be it migration or invasion......two peoples came together.

Regarding the article with the genetic data I linked, I think you need to check the time frame in question. 75,000, 100,000 years ago human society in India was just starting to come into being and in it's early stages. This is when the mixing was taking place. Stratification into caste groups didn't occur until much, much later. The bottom line is if you asked the people behind this genetic study if they support the idea that the Indian caste system is color based they would tell you no.

Even so it still changes little......there was a blending on going.
If it was a continuous blending from times immemorial then it more fits the migrant model, it does not negate the fact that there could have at some point been an invasion, over should a wide span of time.
If human society was just being started 100,000 yrs in India, it is equally plausible that Iranian society was also being founding at around the same time.....being they are related peoples.

Here are the facts as I see it.....and believe I have established
Two groups of closely related ethnically people came together....
A lighter skin colored group called Aryan and a darker skin colored called Dravidian.
Over time the Aryan group institute Varna....apparently a social political and religious hierarchical system.
Varna means color and the system was once based on skin color
Jati means occupation - a system of division of labor.
Over time varna and Jati were subsumed.
Vestiges of the color based varna system is still extant as color preferences

Questions
Are Iranians lighter skinned than Dravidians in general.
Has there ever been a war between Dravidians and Iranians
What similarities does Brahmanism has in common with Zoroastrianism or some other ancient Persian religion.

 

[Samori Toure]

READ YOUR OWN SNARKY ASS COMMENTS.

You have dropped them in a number of threads. What dafuq does pwis mean? You put that crap in there.

 

[BigMan]

READ YOUR OWN SNARKY ASS COMMENTS.

You have dropped them in a number of threads. What dafuq does pwis mean? You put that crap in there.

Pwi=predominantly white institutions

You can't even make a decent argument now, dont claim anything without evidence

 

[Samori Toure]

Pwi=predominantly white institutions

You can't even make a decent argument now, dont claim anything without evidence

Look at your posts a while back in another thread about Brazilians and whether they were Hispanic. Those comments have nothing to do with this thread, so no need to drag the dumb shyt in here.

 

[BigMan]

Look at your posts a while back in another thread about Brazilians and whether they were Hispanic. Those comments have nothing to do with this thread, so no need to drag the dumb shyt in here.

Bruh you brought it up, now back it up

 

[Samori Toure]

Bruh you brought it up, now back it up

Like I told you go back and read your own snarky shyt. It is not a part of this thread and I am done. If you want to talk about the other shyt then fine.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

My point still stands be it migration or invasion......two peoples came together.



Even so it still changes little......there was a blending on going.
If it was a continuous blending from times immemorial then it more fits the migrant model, it does not negate the fact that there could have at some point been an invasion, over should a wide span of time.
If human society was just being started 100,000 yrs in India, it is equally plausible that Iranian society was also being founding at around the same time.....being they are related peoples.

If there was an invasion or mass migration then there has to be some physical or genetic evidence to prove that's the case. There is none. Instead the genetic evidence shows that India has seen extremely limited genetic contributions from outside the subcontinent throughout it's history. At the time this mixing was taking place, everybody was pretty much dark skinned.

Two groups of closely related ethnically people came together....
A lighter skin colored group called Aryan and a darker skin colored called Dravidian.
Over time the Aryan group institute Varna....apparently a social political and religious hierarchical system.
Varna means color and the system was once based on skin color
Jati means occupation - a system of division of labor.
Over time varna and Jati were subsumed.
Vestiges of the color based varna system is still extant as color preferences

These aren't facts though, they are speculations based on outdated worldviews. Varna is a social and religious hierarchical system, true, but there's nothing to suggest it was based on skin color. Dravidian isn't a race, it's a language group. "Aryan" was never used as a racial marker in hindu religious texts or indicative of skin color, it has always been a cultural designation. Indians who believed in Vedic authority thus belonged to Aryan culture and occupied the 4 tier Varna system. Those who didn't were the outcastes, tribals, and future "untouchables" who dwelled in forests and outside cities and settlements. White skinned Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Arabs, etc....have always been considered to be untouchables as well.

Did you know that there are whole books written by hindu sages on Indian aesthetics, standards of beauty, etc? Skin color is never mentioned. Otherwise how could Krishna be black and all-attractive at the same time? Even in Kamasutra, when the beauty of a woman is discussed "whiteness" is only desirable in three places: The parting of the hair, the teeth, and the whites of the eyes.

We already talked about Krishna who most people are aware of, in addition, the compiler of the Vedas himself, Vyasa, was known to be dark skinned. Rama was dark skinned. Drona, the famous brahmin-warrior and teacher of the Pandavas in the Mahabharatha was dark skinned....so was his son Ashwathamma. In contrast, just as an example, Shukra, the guru of the demons was known as being exceedingly white in complexion. So we can see from the ancient texts themselves skin color had nothing to do with virtue, or varna, rather we see a a description of a society not much different from today - a society that ranges from light to very dark brown.

Questions
Are Iranians lighter skinned than Dravidians in general.
Has there ever been a war between Dravidians and Iranians
What similarities does Brahma nism has in common with Zoroastrianism or some other ancient Persian religion.

I don't see what any of this has to do with anything we're talking about.

"Brahmanism" has always been strongest in the Dravidian speaking south, where people are darker than average, Brahmins included. That poses yet another inconvenience for your argument.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Distance education has been happening in the USA for quite some time now, so why would that be a problem. No Ethiopian sitting in Addis Ababa is getting their asses kicked by a bunch of Indians in India. That still does not relieve the African nations of investing in their educational systems and in their people.

Again, I have to ask; how is it that ex-slaves in the USA could build over 100 colleges to educate their masses; but African nations with their massive resources can't?

I'm asking if you if you find it acceptable if Africans use the education they receive from Indians to in turn help their own people and eventually become self-sufficient. I have no interest in all that AA vs African stuff, It's irrelevant anyway, not everyone's situation is the same.

 

[frankster]

If there was an invasion or mass migration then there has to be some physical or genetic evidence to prove that's the case. There is none. Instead the genetic evidence shows that India has seen extremely limited genetic contributions from outside the subcontinent throughout it's history. At the time this mixing was taking place, everybody was pretty much dark skinned.

I have presented scholarly articles to the fact of a migration or invasion, you yourself have present the genetic evidence to a coalescing of Indians and Iranians albeit in the distant past.
The Vedic scriptures refers to these two groups being Dravidian and Aryans

These aren't facts though, they are speculations based on outdated worldviews. Varna is a social and religious hierarchical system, true, but there's nothing to suggest it was based on skin color. Dravidian isn't a race, it's a language group. "Aryan" was never used as a racial marker in hindu religious texts or indicative of skin color, it has always been a cultural designation. Indians who believed in Vedic authority thus belonged to Aryan culture and occupied the 4 tier Varna system. Those who didn't were the outcastes, tribals, and future "untouchables" who dwelled in forests and outside cities and settlements. White skinned Greeks, Scythians, Huns, Arabs, etc....have always been considered to be untouchables as well.

Whether you want to call it language group or cultural designation.....what it means is two different groups of people coming together

Moorjani's past research revealed that all people in India trace their heritage to two genetic groups: An ancestral North Indian group originally from the Near East and the Caucasus region, and another South Indian group that was more closely related to people on the Andaman Islands.
Today, everyone in India has DNA from both groups. "It's just the proportion of ancestry that you have that varies across India," Moorjani told LiveScience

Ancient texts also reveal clues about the period.
The Rigveda, a nearly 3,500-year-old collection of hymns written in Sanskrit, a North Indian language, mentions chieftains with South Indian names.
"So there is some sort of mixture or intermarriage," Witzel told LiveScience.
Early on, there were distinct classes of people — the priests, the nobility and the common people — but no mention of segregation or occupational restrictions. By about 3,000 years ago, the texts mention a fourth, lowest class: the Sudras. But it wasn't until about 100 B.C. that a holy text called the Manusmruti explicitly forbade intermarriage across castes.
The study doesn't suggest that either the ancestral North or South Indian group formed the bulk of the upper or lower castes, Witzel said.
Rather, when caste divisions hardened, any type of intermarriage was sharply curtailed, leading to much less mixing overall
Genetic Study Reveals Origin of India's Caste System

Did you know that there are whole books written by hindu sages on Indian aesthetics, standards of beauty, etc? Skin color is never mentioned. Otherwise how could Krishna be black and all-attractive at the same time? Even in Kamasutra, when the beauty of a woman is discussed "whiteness" is only desirable in three places: The parting of the hair, the teeth, and the whites of the eyes.

We already talked about Krishna who most people are aware of, in addition, the compiler of the Vedas himself, Vyasa, was known to be dark skinned. Rama was dark skinned. Drona, the famous brahmin-warrior and teacher of the Pandavas in the Mahabharatha was dark skinned....so was his son Ashwathamma. In contrast, just as an example, Shukra, the guru of the demons was known as being exceedingly white in complexion. So we can see from the ancient texts themselves skin color had nothing to do with virtue, or varna, rather we see a a description of a society not much different from today - a society that ranges from light to very dark brown.

I have already address these types of questions and will no longer respond to then.....My supposition is that Varna was originally based on skin color as in colorism/shadism.
For which I have provided scholarly work, as intimated by.....which because it did not sit with your theories you deny and throw out with prejudice.
Not providing any similar evidence to the contrary.

I don't see what any of this has to do with anything we're talking about.

"Brahmanism" has always been strongest in the Dravidian speaking south, where people are darker than average, Brahmins included. That poses yet another inconvenience for your argument.

They don't, its just questions I have....that will aid in my understand of what is known about Hinduism in India,

 

[TEH]

Indians are self loathing fakkits. Meet so many of them who hate themselves and only date white men and shyt on their own country.

and on the streets (literally).

 

[Kublai Khan]

My point still stands be it migration or invasion......two peoples came together.



Even so it still changes little......there was a blending on going.
If it was a continuous blending from times immemorial then it more fits the migrant model, it does not negate the fact that there could have at some point been an invasion, over should a wide span of time.
If human society was just being started 100,000 yrs in India, it is equally plausible that Iranian society was also being founding at around the same time.....being they are related peoples.

Here are the facts as I see it.....and believe I have established
Two groups of closely related ethnically people came together....
A lighter skin colored group called Aryan and a darker skin colored called Dravidian.
Over time the Aryan group institute Varna....apparently a social political and religious hierarchical system.
Varna means color and the system was once based on skin color
Jati means occupation - a system of division of labor.
Over time varna and Jati were subsumed.
Vestiges of the color based varna system is still extant as color preferences

Questions
Are Iranians lighter skinned than Dravidians in general.
Has there ever been a war between Dravidians and Iranians
What similarities does Brahmanism has in common with Zoroastrianism or some other ancient Persian religion.

Bro your dumb as shyt. Your using that fake a as CaC invasion theory like it's truth.
They even taught me that bull shyt in school but I knew it wasn't right.

So your trynna tell me that thousands of years of culture from India wasn't created by Indians?
You as dumb as a cac

Lemme tell you a secret. CACS created the so call ed "Aryan Theory" to demoralize the Indian People. Tell them their culture is not theirs, their ancient language(which is one of the oldest written languages) supposedly didn't come from them. Their religion and God's supposedly not from.Them. But brought by so called "Aryans"

Not to mention the word "Aryan" is used only 36 times in the rigveda. Basically the Nazis found a word that meant noble and ran with it. They even took the Nazi Swastika logo from the Indians. Such cruel cacs, turning a religious symbol into a symbol of hate.

Did you know Hinduism has similarities with Greek and Roman God's?

Did you know the ancient Indian language Sanskrit has many similarities with English and other indo_european languages?

Now, did you know that the Cacs were jealous of India's Spices, Gold, jewels, religion , and spirituality? They were so jealous they tried to rob them of this culture.

They make up some bs that some CaCs came down and dropped the Vedas, culture, the whole swag on Indians.

C'mon now.smarten up.

Not to mention there is no evidence for this Aryan Theory at all, so it's laughable. No evidence., no genetic evidence . No old stories nothing. If there was a whole race of people shutting down India, wouldn't it be documented? They had Sanskrit so why not? But no you see nothing because nothing really happened.

The only invasions are the documented ones, like Turko-persians, and Alexander who barely skimmed India




In reality it makes more sense to be the other way around. CACs actuAlly descend from Indians. The western religions are branched off from Indians.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I have presented scholarly articles to the fact of a migration or invasion, you yourself have present the genetic evidence to a coalescing of Indians and Iranians albeit in the distant past.

Except that whether there was an aryan invasion or migration was never the subject of debate. The subject of debate is whether or not the varna system was based on skin color. You haven't provided any scholarly articles to support that view, only speculative assertions based on biased interpretations of religious texts. I have used the same religious texts here to show that many of Hinduisms most revered sages, gods, and heroes have been described as being unabashedly dark skinned, and you've chosen to hand wave them away and cling to your dogma. Well, that's not my problem.

The Vedic scriptures refers to these two groups being Dravidian and Aryans

"vedic scriptures," assuming you mean the vedas don't talk about Dravidians at all. The word dravid means south. In fact Brahmins in India are divided into two groups, pancha gouda, and pancha dravida. Pancha dravida Brahmins are those Brahmins who reside south of the vindhya mountains. They can be called Dravidian since they speak Dravidian languages. Again, skin color and race has no bearing on any of this at all.

Whether you want to call it language group or cultural designation.....what it means is two different groups of people coming together

Moorjani's past research revealed that all people in India trace their heritage to two genetic groups: An ancestral North Indian group originally from the Near East and the Caucasus region, and another South Indian group that was more closely related to people on the Andaman Islands.
Today, everyone in India has DNA from both groups. "It's just the proportion of ancestry that you have that varies across India," Moorjani told LiveScience

Ancient texts also reveal clues about the period.
The Rigveda, a nearly 3,500-year-old collection of hymns written in Sanskrit, a North Indian language, mentions chieftains with South Indian names.
"So there is some sort of mixture or intermarriage," Witzel told LiveScience.
Early on, there were distinct classes of people — the priests, the nobility and the common people — but no mention of segregation or occupational restrictions. By about 3,000 years ago, the texts mention a fourth, lowest class: the Sudras. But it wasn't until about 100 B.C. that a holy text called the Manusmruti explicitly forbade intermarriage across castes.
The study doesn't suggest that either the ancestral North or South Indian group formed the bulk of the upper or lower castes, Witzel said.
Rather, when caste divisions hardened, any type of intermarriage was sharply curtailed, leading to much less mixing overall
Genetic Study Reveals Origin of India's Caste System

Again, none of this supports your point. If you want to discuss the aryan invasion theory, start another thread. There's no evidence for it, and the rig veda you are quoting mentions no land outside the subcontinent where these aryans supposedly arrived from. Also, the word dasyu was used to describe rebel aryan tribes...refer to the battle of ten kings.

In later literature the word mleccha which means barbarian was used to refer to lighter skinned Greeks, Iranians, Arabs, etc...this wouldn't be the case if it were all about skin color.

I have already address these types of questions and will no longer respond to then.....My supposition is that Varna was originally based on skin color as in colorism/shadism.
For which I have provided scholarly work, as intimated by.....which because it did not sit with your theories you deny and throw out with prejudice.
Not providing any similar evidence to the contrary.

Uh, I've provided multiple examples of dark skinned gods and heroes in Hinduism to counter your claims, you've made it clear that you are choosing to ignore them. Like I said, that's your problem, not mine.

They don't, its just questions I have....that will aid in my understand of what is known about Hinduism in India,

Yes Iranians are lighter than Dravidians in general. South India aligns with ethiopia below the tropic of cancer, it's not a mystery as to why they would be darker skinned.

No Dravidians have never went to war with Iranians.

Yes there are connections between the vedic religion and Zoroastrianism. Theres evidence to suggest that a group of aryans split and went west and settled Iran and eventually became the Iranians. They still called themselves aryans but they weren't considered to be so anymore by vedic Brahmins.