Not trolling...but...How do ya'll listen to J Cole after this Lupe album?

[Flav]

If i could understand what the hell Lupe is rapping about on first or second listen maybe i would like him more.

Im not into that "first listen,then read rap genius,then read rap genius backwards,then read page 126 of David Dean book to find out Lupe said "its a cold world".



fukk all that shyt.Just say what the fukk you gotta say.

 

[wire28]

Or maybe dudes just don't like his brand of abstract rap. Make sense? Did you ever hear dudes talk about having to research AZ's or Pac's or Method Man's lyrics? Dude made a good point. I don't know what all that Young Thug and Drake sh!t you're talking about.

That's were most of this trouble comes from. These nikkas think that lyricism = good music. Lupe been had bars but now a days he let his stans feed his ego and over doing it to try and live up to this image he and his stans have

I think the magi song was the best mix of being witty, lyrics and being good music off the album. In the real world nobody is trying to sit down and find meanings that aren't there. That's work not entertainment lol. Revenge of the nerd lupe was entertainment with double and triple entendre bars. This lupe is leaning more towards forcing complexity in his raps to keep his niche.

3 months from now I'll play Coles album before lupes

 

[Billy Ocean]

That's were most of this trouble comes from. These nikkas think that lyricism = good music. Lupe been had bars but now a days he let his stans feed his ego and over doing it to try and live up to this image he and his stans have

I think the magi song was the best mix of being witty, lyrics and being good music off the album. In the real world nobody is trying to sit down and find meanings that aren't there. That's work not entertainment lol. Revenge of the nerd lupe was entertainment with double and triple entendre bars. This lupe is leaning more towards forcing complexity in his raps to keep his niche.

3 months from now I'll play Coles album before lupes

I agree 100%

 

[wire28]

I'm kinda cats are actually offended people ain't busting nuts over the album, as if this type of rap ain't at best had an extremely fringe presence in the genre, ever.

Fred.

That's the trippy thing. His stans said its ok for him to go triple plastic because he said this album was for the stans that want to sit around for 6 hours and connect the 3rd bar from verse 2 of track 4 to the same bar and verse from track 12. Then they get mad other nikkas ain't like

And this is coming from a lupe fan. I'm just not a stan and can acknowledge the last time he has truly been able to combine good bars with entertaining music was 2007 and therefore Coles album is better and will get more plays in the future from me and most of the world.

 

[spliz]

nikka is this a gimmick?...cause I could've sworn u said u like Cole's album....why can't both albums coexist?...

 

[detroit devil 3]

Now you either just trollin me , or you're not even reading what i'm typing. Nowhere did I type that lyrics need to be dumb down? You sound like you have a personal agenda. Ill be the first one to kick all that hot garbage off the radio .

Theres an element of rap that you're clearly looking past. Even back in the " Golden Era" of rap/hip-hop , you had your grimey shyt , and your ignorant shyt. Theres lanes in the game , you get in where you fit in. Never has it been a one way street. No one is forcing you to listen to the bullshyt thats on the radio . If you dont like it as much as you claim , but yet continue to comment on it , then maybe i should question your sanity? nikkas that like that shyt , will continue to like it.

I'll leave it at this. If you want deep lyrics with a much deeper meaning then what you hear off the first listen, then you listen to lupe. If you want dope ass lyrics that you could play for somebody who listens to rap casually , and still have them appreciate the art form , then you put something similar to cole. ( Or anyone in Coles lane ,for that matter. ).

Why you edit that, breh? You hit it on the head with the earlier posts. No need to backpedal.

Cole is dope. There is no other way to word it or put it. He's proved time and again he's a spitter, but I'll just leave it at this:

To the bold-typing cat who likes to weirdly interject others' exchanges, post lyricism of this caliber from an average emcee.





















I'll wait...

 

[Zero]

"I'm just playing" - Cole
Apologetic ass

Really though, thats the biggest problem with the shyt.

Either go in or keep your mouth shut

 

[Monster]

I used to like J. Cole but he's such a fraud sometimes. Acts like he can't relate to white people even though he is white, went after em multiple times even though he was obviously influenced by him.

talks about the struggle even though he built his buzz on internet forums

 

[GoldenGlove]

Why you edit that, breh? You hit it on the head with the earlier posts. No need to backpedal.

Cole is dope. There is no other way to word it or put it. He's proved time and again he's a spitter, but I'll just leave it at this:

To the bold-typing cat who likes to weirdly interject others' exchanges, post lyricism of this caliber from an average emcee.





















I'll wait...

No need to post all that shyt. I've been a fan of Cole since The Warm Up breh. I know what he's capable of. But he's not a "dope" lyricist. He's a good storyteller... he's good at making emotionally charged music. I've defended Cole on this board plenty of times. There isn't anything clever or creative with how he writes/raps, that's all I'm getting at here. His greatest attribute as for why he's so popular now is his relatability. His music is safe, basic and redundant. It's his lane, it's why he's been on the rise... because in a game that's been promoting a lot of bullshyt, he's been doing his own thing and his accessibility will have him eating for years and years.

J. Cole is a good artist, I'm not saying he isn't.

But lyrically, he isn't anything special. There isn't anything to "catch" with Cole.
-Kendrick
-Drake
-Wale
-Big Sean

Are superior to J. Cole LYRICALLY. It's just a matter of who's subject matter you enjoy more.

 

[detroit devil 3]

No need to post all that shyt. I've been a fan of Cole since The Warm Up breh. I know what he's capable of. But he's not a "dope" lyricist. He's a good storyteller... he's good at making emotionally charged music. I've defended Cole on this board plenty of times. There isn't anything clever or creative with how he writes/raps, that's all I'm getting at here. His greatest attribute as for why he's so popular now is his relatability. His music is safe, basic and redundant. It's his lane, it's why he's been on the rise... because in a game that's been promoting a lot of bullshyt, he's been doing his own thing and his accessibility will have him eating for years and years.

J. Cole is a good artist, I'm not saying he isn't.

But lyrically, he isn't anything special. There isn't anything to "catch" with Cole.
-Kendrick
-Drake
-Wale
-Big Sean

Are superior to J. Cole LYRICALLY. It's just a matter of who's subject matter you enjoy more.

Nope, I disagree completely.

Being a good spitter, or unique deliverer of a message (however this board decides to define "lyricism", which pretty much means excelling at a distinctive style, be it one that's packed with energy and a message like Pac, or double-entendres and abstract concepts like Lupe or Doom, or just street poetry like Nas) comes down to one thing and one thing only: artistic discretion. Meaning, if J. Cole wanted to make punning his thing, or rapping from weird perspectives, he very much could. He has the skill and is very much capable and has proven it time and again.. The fact he's opted for a more direct approach, doesn't make him any less of an artist or inferior of a lyrcist. He's clearly got the skill, and from the examples I posted, the delivery and the vocab, so it's not about that at all.

 

[King Sun]

So this is the booths version of @meechthemonster

 

[detroit devil 3]

This has nothing to do with his popularity but the direction he's taken his music artistically. If you heard those links you would have heard plenty of clever, creative and just DOPE lines. Just because he doesn't get all elzhi, pharoahe monch and lupe with his raps don't make him any less of an artist. Or any less skillful. He aims to accomplish things with his music and as an artist and does a great job. Those are really his only responsibilities. If you want the abstract stuff, there are plenty of other artists for a fix. Same argument applies to Nas and Jay. They both aim to bring in almost polar opposite audiences at times, and its evident in the music. Doesn't make one any more skillful or "lyrical" than the other. Just different lanes for the most part.

 

[GoldenGlove]

Nope, I disagree completely.

Being a good spitter, or unique deliverer of a message (however this board decides to define "lyricism", which pretty much means excelling at a distinctive style, be it one that's packed with energy and a message like Pac, or double-entendres and abstract concepts like Lupe or Doom, or just street poetry like Nas) comes down to one thing and one thing only: artistic discretion. Meaning, if J. Cole wanted to make punning his thing, or rapping from weird perspectives, he very much could. He has the skill and is very much capable has proven it time and again.. The fact he's opted for a more direct approach, doesn't make hiess of an artist or inferior of a lyrcist. He's clearly got the skill, and from the examples I posted, the delivery and the vocab, so it's not about that at all.

You're basically saying J. Cole can be more creative/witty with his lyrics if he wanted to.

It's not even about rapping from different perspectives. He can rap from whatever perspective he wants, if it's basic, it's basic breh. If it's straightfoward it's straightforward. I simply disagree with you on the notion that he can deliver lyrics with more variety. If he could, he would have done so by now. He's like 4 mixtapes and 3 albums in the game now.

 

[GoldenGlove]

This has nothing to do with his popularity but the direction he's taken his music artistically. If you heard those links you would have heard plenty of clever, creative and just DOPE lines. Just because he doesn't get all elzhi, pharoahe monch and lupe with his raps don't make him any less of an artist. Or any less skillful. He aims to accomplish things with his music and as an artist and does a great job. Those are really his only responsibilities. If you want the abstract stuff, there are plenty of other artists for a fix. Same argument applies to Nas and Jay. They both aim to bring in almost polar opposite audiences at times, and its evident in the music. Doesn't make one any more skillful or "lyrical" than the other. Just different lanes for the most part.

No need to bring up Elzhi or Pharoahe Monch.

He's not seeing the guys that I named who are in his same lane when it comes to lyrical skill, period.

 

[PaperEnterprise]

I mean, sonically...the mixing and mastering on this is just one of the best produced albums i've heard in a VERY long time. I mean good god.

Lyrically...well duh. Lupe has just married unparalleled talent here with some of the most prescient topics around right now...and he did it without being too directly preachy.

Its like Lupe masted the conscious album.

I say all that to say...but... Cole aint even the best person IN HIS LANE of music.

Didnt you state that "consciousness" doesnt exist in that other thread but now stating Lupe made a conscious album...