Nursing Is No Longer Counted as a ‘Professional Degree’ by Trump Admin

[Scustin Bieburr]

Nurses are still an important part of the Healthcare system. They need to continue their efforts to unionize and collectively bargain for the resources they need to be successful.

A lot of people have had their lives saved by nurses. They will be fine, and at worst they will find work in private clinics or make money traveling on short term contracts to other countries.

A lot of people here have OD"d on political content via podcasts, social media, and live streams. Its got them trying to remix white supremacist talking points and sounding unhinged.

The unfortunate Political reality is that unless at least one of the two parties is talking about workplace democracy and putting an end to the military industrial complex(aka the two most important things affecting your life) its like them debating on how many bullets to shoot you with. You're still getting shot, the difference is one wants you to bleed out and the other just wants you dead immediately. As long as they both adopt the belief that capitalism is the best economic model and nothing different is worth trying, and that its fine for the tax payer to continue to inflate the Pentagon's budget while subsidizing billionaires, you are wasting your time getting overly invested in what these parties say and do.

Focus on unionizing in your workplace. If you're starting a business, make it a co op so all workers have a stake in the business succeeding. Provide financial, emotional, or physical support to your friends, neighbors, and other people in your community and direct the time and energy you would spend consuming rage and depression bait masquerading as news into sharpening your skills and learning new ones like another language or how to repair broken furniture/clothes/tech.

 

[MustafaSTL]

Damn that’s messed up. Wonder if any female nurses are in a bind.

 

[UpAndComing]

Actually very very very very impossible.

Spoiler: why nurse wages wont go down ever

The nurses get paid a lot because they're needed and there is a shortage. All this will do is squeeze the supply of nurses further because nurses can't get the funding from financial aid to complete their education.There is an inelastic demand for nurses Because nursing is not easy work and the hospital collapses without them.

the professional distinction is only necessary because of the new financial aid cuts limiting the amount of borrowing you can do. This is significant because clinical degrees require a crap ton of money to run teaching hospitals.

So to counter to your point, Being a professional degree or not being a professional degree doesn't eliminate the fact that a level 1 trauma center needs 500 nurses. That's nonon-negotiable. And they can't afford to pay them less because they simply won't show up. They have travel contracts available to them to go to better markets.


It's so bad that

Spoiler: why nurses get a lot of money...

in order to incentivize nurses to do the job and make up shifts for their missing peers ; the nurses get generous incentives. To give you an example of what I mean, most major hospital systems have a system in place where if a nurse works a double he/her base salary is multiplied several times over . And this is pre pre-overtime. Now add in the overtime because the existing nurses must do more work and you'll see how horrible this is for the healthcare system.


In many states it's not uncommon for nurses to actually be out earning MDs in internal medicine or pediatrics or psychiatry because of these incentives. For example the highest paid public employees in California and New York for multiple years running are nurses . It is not uncommon to see nurses both bedside bs degreed nurses and advanced practice nurses MSN or DNP to be bringing in 300k or more in the coastal regions. 2 years ago a few were making 400k and out earning whole surgeons in new York because they were willing to come and do shifts others wouldn't do.

So all of these are the reasons why the pay won't go down . Furthermore the nurse unions and bargaining power has never been better because the current system is horribly tilted in favor of their lobbying groups.

On the contrary, it is actually pretty easy to lower the pay scales of a certain profession. Start hiring more students out of Nursing school who have 0 experience in the field. Give them a lower salary. Then tell the older experienced staff that they'll work part time and decrease their hours, discourage them to quit, etc. Then just start anew with a brand new Nursing staff

 

[CopiousX]

On the contrary, it is actually pretty easy to lower the pay scales of a certain profession. Start hiring more students out of Nursing school who have 0 experience in the field. Give them a lower salary. Then tell the older experienced staff that they'll work part time and decrease their hours, discourage them to quit, etc. Then just start anew with a brand new Nursing staff

You do understand there's a shortage right?

Spoiler: meaning that

There are not enough students leaving school for that strategy to work. This is why there needs to be so many incentives for existing nurses to cover more shifts or handle more patients. There is no cavalry of new nursing students coming to help.

Part of the issue with your strategy is

Spoiler: first issue

that the more experienced nurses have made their money and they left once conditions got bad under covid.

So a lot of the current workforce is the unexperienced.

Spoiler: second issue

Secondarily , nursing is unique because they have the travel contracts. Your local hospital isn't competing for the nursing grads in your city; insead, they're competing for the Nationwide job pool of nursing grads. So there is an artificial floor because farther places will pay handsomely to have their hospitals filled. If you were a hospital administrator and you decided to lower your salary, all you're doing is giving the farther hospital all your new grads. New grads are spoiled for choice.

The only way to do what you are suggesting would be

Spoiler: only viable path to use your strategy

To use the H-1B Pipeline and then use new students from foreign countries to dilute wages. But this won't work because H1Bs are simultaneously capped and they are hoarded by the tech industry which won't let them go. It's to the extent that if you were somehow able tell the indian companies to fck off and give out every single H-1B only to nurses, you would still have a shortage of 10,000 of them because the nation needs 75,000 nurses and the amount of H-1Bs for all disciplines is limited to 65,000.

But ultimately its a supply issue.The obvious solution for supply is for states and the federal government to come in and subsidize nurses education. This would fill the market with those new inexperienced nurses you're talking about. But this is the exact opposite strategy the department of education is trying to utilize under Trump.

 

[IIVI]

fukking wild tbh.

 

[the artist known az]

All of this shyt he's doing is stupid. The next President will just come after him and reinstate it back

 

[Rosecrans]

I forgot this idiot put Linda fukking McMahon in there

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Trump is doing irreparable damages to the Republican brand. Now all Democrats gotta do is promise peace, order, and rolling back the craziness.

 

[3rdWorld]

I suspect Elon and the AI boys convinced that retard to cut nurses and replace them with AI screens to save money and pay off the national debt..

 

[bnew]

fukking wild tbh.

Yeah a lot of these overlap with where A.I and robotics will be used. will be much easier for adoption if the government doesn't view them as professional occupations because if they're not professional it'll be less regulated.

 

[bnew]

fools let agents on this forum and social media convince them not to vote .

now they gonna seee the results first hand with longer hospital wait times when they , their spouse/partner, children, parents or friends needs irgent care but there are fewer nurses to help.