NY Times: Is Prison Necessary? Ruthie Gilmore Might Change Your Mind

[Jhoon]

Wow. Very very interesting. But is it a chicken and egg situation where with society the way it is currently you simply cant change? How do you educate society where you get to the point where people value life again. And how do you deal with the outliers like psychopaths?

You educate them. The same resources you allocate for punishment you should use it for educating.

What society cannot use more outlets for learning?

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Just from the clickbait title alone, how could I motivate myself or friends to read this article
I take anyone claiming to be a "prison abolitionist," as serious as a person claiming to be a "globalist." Especially if they're always living in(not visiting) certain types of countries. I guess "prison reformist" wasn't as catchy

 

[analog]

There are some people beyond rehabilitation but I wouldn't say they make up the majority. But despite that, these are individuals who should not be let back into society under any circumstances. Individuals who even if you asked them that if you let them back into society despite best efforts, if they were given the chance to commit their crime again, they state they would because even they realize the danger they present to society. This includes pedophiles, serial rapists, and serial murders. Peoples who have a biological imperative or malfunction that makes it where they have to commit a crime to satisfy a biological urge, usually sexual.

Until think pieces such as this can address that without hand-waving and glossing over it, prison is necessary.

Tell me how you'd rehabilitate people like in this link and fix the root cause of their issues at the ages they committed their crimes

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the...he-most-evil-murderers-ive-read-about.552622/

There are solutions like in Norway where someone can be detained indefinitely so long as they are deemed a danger to society. These are exceptions that are made for serial murderers, rapists, etc.

Their general priority remains to rehabilitate prisoners in the most humane way possible, resulting in low recidivism and general crime rates.

Not having the mindset to be as cruel as possible does have its benefits...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Just from the clickbait title alone, how could I motivate myself or friends to read this article
I take anyone claiming to be a "prison abolitionist," as serious as a person claiming to be a "globalist." Especially if they're always living in(not visiting) certain types of countries. I guess "prison reformist" wasn't as catchy

Do you feel like anti-slavery abolitionists should have called themselves "reformists" because slavery abolitionism was so unpopular at the time, and they didn't really get rid of all slavery anyway cause the 13th Amendment still has the prison clause?

As the article says, the reason they call themselves abolitionists is because their goal isn't to "reform" prison, it's to eliminate as many of them as possible. We obviously have too many prisons and too many prisoners.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Do you feel like anti-slavery abolitionists should have called themselves "reformists" because slavery abolitionism was so unpopular at the time, and they didn't really get rid of all slavery anyway cause the 13th Amendment still has the prison clause?
As the article says, the reason they call themselves abolitionists is because their goal isn't to "reform" prison, it's to eliminate as many of them as possible. We obviously have too many prisons and too many prisoners.

Such a try hard comment. Injecting slavery? comparing prisons to slavery, to argue irrelevancy of it? lol
....name a country that currently doesn't have a prison and any period of time that didn't have a punishment system?