NYPD killed another unarmed black man, cop claims he was "startled"

[Cave Savage]

Why is the assumption that if you don't vote democrat you must vote republican. Libertarians are a third option. Even the Green party would be better than the fukking democrats... I didn't say blacks voted for him because hes black, although some obviously did, my point is just theres no real point for black people to vote for him, yet they do, so its based on emotion and misinformation, and most of all lethargic 'lesser of two evils' mentalities.

"If he slammed his head into the concrete, he would have been injured far worse and not have been able to shoot Trayvon. Have you ever fell and hit the back of your head on the ground? Imagine that pain but way worse, plus being knocked unconscious most likely."

I dunno, I saw the pictures in the trial and it looked like what I would expect to see from getting your head hit a couple times. I've had it happen to myself actually. The thing is when people do this to you, you are doing everything you can to resist with your neck and upper back, they cant just free-slam your head like a pumpkin.

Let's be real here, a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, George W. Bush would not have been elected if just 1000 people voted for Ralph Nader in Florida voted for Al Gore instead. Besides, I don't think the Libertarian party's platform is in the best interest of black people, nor is it in the best interest of most people in general.

I'm not denying that they got into some sort of fight but Zimmerman's injury's look more consistent with being on the ground and getting punched (and the fight could have been started by Zimmerman placing his hands on Martin), not Martin trying to smash his head open. I'm pretty sure some sort of medical expert testified and stated something to that effect.

 

[Cave Savage]

So basically you believe Trayvon caused his own death right?

Yes, Trayvon should have complied with every order of a random creepy man with no authority.

 

[CAC Dogg]

So basically you believe Trayvon caused his own death right?

Yeah I am white, thought that was known at this point, and no I wouldn't put it like that. What I really think happened was a confused situation that was not necessarily anyones fault entirely, both of them could of acted smarter, but that's just the way things happen in the heat of the moment.

First of all he was a kid, not an adult lawyer who knows his rights to self defense or how to handle a situation where he thought he could have been stalked. All I ever said is the court had to rule the way it did, its just the way the law works.

That is irrelevant to whether it was a tragedy that a rent-a-cop being made into a hero by right-wing cheerleaders who killed a scared kid.Still, Zimmerman doesn't deserve to die if he truly was defending himself, which according to the ONLY witness testimony, was the case. I don't see how any non-racist person could say he should be guilty of murder or deserve death by bounty or any of that, doesn't mean I haven't shed tears for Trayvon. Its fukking terrible anytime someone that young dies, let alone someone who was only guilty of being paranoid at worse.

 

[mrken12]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that you are white. Am I correct?

That's pretty obvious.

 

[mrken12]

Most black people vote Democrat, simple as that. Why the fukk would any black person vote for a present day Republican?

And even if black people did vote for Obama just because he's black, it's okay in my opinion because there has never been a black president in this country's 250+ years of existence before him.


If he slammed his head into the concrete, he would have been injured far worse and not have been able to shoot Trayvon. Have you ever fell and hit the back of your head on the ground? Imagine that pain but way worse, plus being knocked unconscious most likely.

And that clown claims to be so smart.

 

[CAC Dogg]

Let's be real here, a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote, George W. Bush would not have been elected if just 1000 people voted for Ralph Nader in Florida voted for Al Gore instead. Besides, I don't think the Libertarian party's platform is in the best interest of black people, nor is it in the best interest of most people in general.

I'm not denying that they got into some sort of fight but Zimmerman's injury's look more consistent with being on the ground and getting punched (and the fight could have been started by Zimmerman placing his hands on Martin), not Martin trying to smash his head open. I'm pretty sure some sort of medical expert testified and stated something to that effect.

You are looking at things way too simply. Just because a third party doesn't win representation doesn't mean they cant change the national debate and force mainstream candidates to bend to popular opinion. You can see this in marijuana becoming legal, that was a Libertarian point for the past 35 years that is now becoming reality. People are also becoming aware of how much money we waste on our military because of Libertarians.

It's the complete opposite of a waste vote, its an informed vote that actually produces change, whereas if you vote for either democrats or republicans, you will always just be getting the breadcrumbs of people who really have power and want to keep it that way.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Yeah I am white, thought that was known at this point, and no I wouldn't put it like that. What I really think happened was a confused situation that was not necessarily anyones fault entirely, both of them could of acted smarter, but that's just the way things happen in the heat of the moment.

First of all he was a kid, not an adult lawyer who knows his rights to self defense or how to handle a situation where he thought he could have been stalked. All I ever said is the court had to rule the way it did, its just the way the law works.

That is irrelevant to whether it was a tragedy that a rent-a-cop being made into a hero by right-wing cheerleaders who killed a scared kid.Still, Zimmerman doesn't deserve to die if he truly was defending himself, which according to the ONLY witness testimony, was the case. I don't see how any non-racist person could say he should be guilty of murder or deserve death by bounty or any of that, doesn't mean I haven't shed tears for Trayvon. Its fukking terrible anytime someone that young dies, let alone someone who was only guilty of being paranoid at worse.

It was all Zimmermans fault. Trayvon wasn't doin anything wrong. He was minding his own gatdamn business he wasn't bothering Zimmerman, he wasn't breaking in houses, he wasn't doin a fukkin thing to anybody

What the fukk was Trayvon supposed to do when that fukkin weirdo kept stalking him?

You have an inherent disconnect from reality and how Trayvon was in fact a victim. We have seen Zimmermans behavior outside of the Trayvon incident that has shown his violent manner. He is a woman beater with a criminal background and Trayvon had no criminal background.

fukk outta here man

 

[DPG4Life]

It was all Zimmermans fault. Trayvon wasn't doin anything wrong. He was minding his own gatdamn business he wasn't bothering Zimmerman, he wasn't breaking in houses, he wasn't doin a fukkin thing to anybody

What the fukk was Trayvon supposed to do when that fukkin weirdo kept stalking him?

You have an inherent disconnect from reality and how Trayvon was in fact a victim. We have seen Zimmermans behavior outside of the Trayvon incident that has shown his violent manner. He is a woman beater with a criminal background and Trayvon had no criminal background.

fukk outta here man

real talk breh

 

[CAC Dogg]

What the fukk was Trayvon supposed to do when that fukkin weirdo kept stalking him?

You have an inherent disconnect from reality and how Trayvon was in fact a victim. We have seen Zimmermans behavior outside of the Trayvon incident that has shown his violent manner. He is a woman beater with a criminal background and Trayvon had no criminal background.
fukk outta here man

He allegedly beat a woman AFTER the trial, and had no criminal background (prove it). The court ruled they couldn't bring in previous behavior into this trial, otherwise they would have brought up this (ill tell you what spots of the video exactly in a second.)
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[Ronnie Lott]

He allegedly beat a woman AFTER the trial, and had no criminal background (prove it). The court ruled they couldn't bring in previous behavior into this trial, otherwise they would have brought up this (ill tell you what spots of the video exactly in a second.)
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So again, you are blaming Trayvon. Because he didn't run, you believe he was responsible for his death

Has Zimmerman exhibited violent and unsavory behavior in the past 5 years that would lead to the conclusion that he is not a choir boy.

 

[BezO]

That is completely unrealistic... lawyers and psychiatrists make around $50-5000 dollars an HOUR. Theres no money for that...

The practical solution should be to end counterproductive drug laws and gun laws, so police are only used when they are asked to do something to prevent violence or catch people doing violent crime.

Only unrealistic for a government that can't or won't identify the real issue. If they can fund bailouts, defense & space projects at the rate they do, they can certainly fund the development of one of the most important public servants in the country.

Many criminals, violent or otherwise need to be understood. Situations need to be analyzed. At best, police know threatening actions. They have no understandin' of people, their behavior... nothin' really. They're mistakin' deaf folks for defiant ones, ailments for threatenin' behavior, etc. Any & everything can be interpreted as violent by an untrained officer.

Money plays a roll in elections but the US still has fair elections that produce noticeable results. The problem is the mainstream republican and democrat candidates end up supporting the same things because they are paid for by overlapping lobbyists. You are wrong about ANY government official being limited by these powers though. JFK was an obvious example at the national level and there are many local and state officials that are good people with integrity. Ron Paul would have improved the situation for all Americans, but perhaps blacks in particular by ending minimum sentencing, death penalty, drug war, the inflation tax (GOOGLE THIS IF YOU DONT KNOW IT), and expensive wars.

Money plays a roll in elections AND policy. The system is designed to keep the powers that be in power. Hell, national government is made up of mostly well off folks. Even ignoring the power of those outside of the government, why would national government officials act against their own interest?

JFK was assassinated bruh.

And there are checks & balances from branch to branch. A president can't do as he pleases.

And I doubt the integrity of any government official above city council. If the government is for the people, why are the majority of the people in such desparate need? Why is nothin' bein' done about the inequality of wealth? From level one, why are schools funded by property taxes, puttin' the poor at an immediate disadvantage? Why is advanced education so expensive? Are you sayin' the citizens have elected the wrong officials in every election?

IMO, the system is accomplishin' exactly what it's design to.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

The only time that high of a % of black people EVER voted for Democrats was for LBJ during the Civil Rights Act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...in-obamas-presidential-elections-in-2-charts/

Think about it, the President favoring the racist drug war, the invasion of various middle eastern countries (most of the military is black), favors quantitative easing, which is printing trillions of dollars to banks and devaluing poor people's currency, that is corporate welfare (again google inflation tax), favors a police state where police have the right to search your home without a warrant for things people should have a right to like guns and harmless drugs.

The point being, in my opinion, his policies are all noticeably detrimental to the black community, yet he's picking up more black voters than the man who passed the Civil Rights Act.

Comparing two different time periods....

For starters 18 year olds couldn't vote in the election that LBJ was in.

Also I see how you ignore the number of black people who weren't able to vote at all due to racism.



Such a shyt poster.

 

[CAC Dogg]

So again, you are blaming Trayvon. Because he didn't run, you believe he was responsible for his death

Has Zimmerman exhibited violent and unsavory behavior in the past 5 years that would lead to the conclusion that he is not a choir boy.

So again, I said just cuz he could of done something differently doesn't mean he deserved to die, and regardless of whether he didn't deserve to die or not, that has nothing to do with how a fukking trial works.

I didn't say Zimmerman is a choir boy, but if you honestly want to talk about previous behavior, Zimmerman is going to look a lot better in court than Trayvon who got kicked out of his house and school for fighting and drug dealing multiple times.

 

[CAC Dogg]

Comparing two different time periods....

For starters 18 year olds couldn't vote in the election that LBJ was in.

Also I see how you ignore the number of black people who weren't able to vote at all due to racism.



Such a shyt poster.

How does that even matter. If all black people could vote in 1964, even more would have voted for LBJ. Your point has nothing to do with anything I just said, and doesn't weaken my argument in the slightest.

Come back when you can do more than the same tired ass Marcus Camby emoticon when you have nothing relevant to say.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

So again, I said just cuz he could of done something differently doesn't mean he deserved to die, and regardless of whether he didn't deserve to die or not, that has nothing to do with how a fukking trial works.

I didn't say Zimmerman is a choir boy, but if you honestly want to talk about previous behavior, Zimmerman is going to look a lot better in court than Trayvon who got kicked out of his house and school for fighting and drug dealing multiple times.

Are you seriously comparing a kid having a school fight with another boy and smoking weed to a grown ass man Zimmermans having multiple instances reportedly beating women and brandishing firearms?