NYPD's Big Artificial-Intelligence Reveal

[ORDER_66]

I agree that this is an inherent bias in data submission to worry about. I guess as someone with a degree in Computer Engineering and dealt with this stuff at least at an academic level, I might have a slight favoritism bias towards it. But at the same time, I'm speaking as someone who can envision working on such software myself. I can put myself in the shoes of someone creating this and I can't imagine the first thought for someone working on it wouldn't be how to minimize human biases as much as possible in data submission. It seems like such a "first thought" concept when approaching this problem.

this won't end well.... because the person who creates this is inherently biased... all these shows and movies about the dire warnings of A.I. and people are still gung ho to make them work... Person's of interest was a great show tackling this very idea of using an A.I. for law enforcement....The creator of the machine was a decent person but he had to teach the machine to VALUE the importance of human life, not be biased, not be selfish...Problem is the NYPD is under a mandate to arrest people for crimes... and their perception is black and poor neighborhoods is where crimes is supposedly high... they'll deploy this A.I. against us...Not everyone.

 

[Dr. Acula]

this won't end well.... because the person who creates this is inherently biased... all these shows and movies about the dire warnings of A.I. and people are still gung ho to make them work... Person's of interest was a great show tackling this very idea of using an A.I. for law enforcement....The creator of the machine was a decent person but he had to teach the machine to VALUE the importance of human life, not be biased, not be selfish...Problem is the NYPD is under a mandate to arrest people for crimes... and their perception is black and poor neighborhoods is where crimes is supposedly high... they'll deploy this A.I. against us...Not everyone.

Breh I'm black and not naive to the issues and I understand the concerns. But I guess having personal experience with the subject matter has either informed me better or made me biased more about the matter.

A human created system is still subject to the errors of humans but like I said just from my academic career, there is a genuine effort from a design point to actively try to control those biases as much as possible .

It is stated by the NYPD itself, so take it with a grain of salt but this is mentioned in the article

New York police point out that the software was designed to exclude race and gender from its algorithm. Based on internal testing, the NYPD told Fast Company, the software is no more likely to generate links to crimes committed by persons of a specific race than a random sampling of police reports.

If you asked me to create software that is supposed to unemotionally examine data and give you a statistical probability based on the data my mind is going to switch into a mode to give intense push back of making it possible for submissions to include any descriptive details about a criminal and only would want the data related to the crime committed. You asked me to allow the input of race, name, height , etc after it's know eyewitness testimony is not the best then I'm vehemently saying no. But not everyone is me so I dunno.

Like I said, I think instead of outright rejection of the idea, pushing for full transparency of the software should be a priority.

 

[ORDER_66]

Breh I'm black and not naive to the issues and I understand the concerns. But I guess having personal experience with the subject matter has either informed me better or made me biased more about the matter.

A human created system is still subject to the errors of humans but like I said just from my academic career, there is a genuine effort from a design point to actively try to control those biases as much as possible .

It is stated by the NYPD itself, so take it with a grain of salt but this is mentioned in the article



If you asked me to create software that is supposed to unemotionally examine data and give you a statistical probability based on the data my mind is going to switch into a mode to give intense push back of making it possible for submissions to include any descriptive details about a criminal and only would want the data related to the crime committed. You asked me to allow the input of race, name, height , etc after it's know eyewitness testimony is not the best then I'm vehemently saying no. But not everyone is me so I dunno.

Like I said, I think instead of outright rejection of the idea, pushing for full transparency of the software should be a priority.

Do YOU believe them to stay true to their word???

 

[Dr. Acula]

Do YOU believe them to stay true to their word???

I feel you only focused on one part of my whole post. I said take it with a grain of salt. The solution to your concerns is constant transparency of the system which I stated.

 

[010101]

Person's of interest becoming reality wtf

that show should be running like law&order

seen every episode of that joint

me & pops was mad they cut it

almost dropped some thugg tears

*

 

[bigdaddy88]

Psycho pass , minority report and ghost in the shell slowly but shortly coming to a city near you.

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

It can also help catch serial killers who have a signature pattern of habits in their crimes. You don't need this technology to racial profile people as we see it's done without computer assistance already.

In fact, I would argue racial profiling is an issue of human biases and prejudices. At least a computer if the only information is a dataset of crimes that have been committed and then probability is used to determine the likelihood who the offender is, won't consider personal racial prejudices in it's determination. By removing it away from a human more, you also remove it from human error and biases more.

The rights group quoted in the article calls for transparency of the software to ensure racial prejudices are not present. I agree with them on that. The details of crimes submitted should only rely on details of the crimes and work to ensure only objective facts about the case should be considered. Anyone with a slightly scientific mind and idea of how approach data analysis would already consider that such as people who are most likely to create such a software in the first place.

U typed a whole bunch conflicting nothing

 

[Dr. Acula]

U typed a whole bunch conflicting nothing

If you say so .

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

If you say so .

I literally typed it

So yeah I am saying so

 

[Cadillac]

Some of y'all said what I was thinking. Incoming some more profiling

 

[BushidoBrown]

If this was the only thing being used to convict someone I would see the issue .But not many prosecutors are going to push forward on charging someone and possibly lose a case on the "likelihood" you committed the crime based on what a computer says.

Also like I said it's not a revolutionary idea in the first place. If you've taken college probability you could implement the same system.

u clearly have a well informed technical background in this stuff based off ur replies in this thread

still some very elements about the whole project

 

[stave]

Minority Report realities inching closer by the day

no bias... it's just software

and it's been shared so people can make their own tweaks


imagine if it really was unbiased and showed actual number of cac crimes being committed and left not pursued


it would be by mistake of course, the software is too smart to be biased. It learns on it's own who and where the bad guys are

because Americans aren't ready to admit who the biggest enemy here is

 

[ORDER_66]

Minority Report realities inching closer by the day

no bias... it's just software

and it's been shared so people can make their own tweaks


imagine if it really was unbiased and showed actual number of cac crimes being committed and left not pursued


it would be by mistake of course, the software is too smart to be biased. It learns on it's own who and where the bad guys are

because Americans aren't ready to admit who the biggest enemy here is

Yep alot of white neo nazi chatter the NSA be intercepting but they only focused on BLACK IDENTITY EXTREMISTS...