Obama Getting Chumped By Putin

[Atlrocafella]

He do it for Mrs. Russia boy

 

[sportscribe]

I think foreign policy is one aspect of governance where the President does not have considerable influence over. The military industrial complex more often than not dictates US foreign operations.

 

[Savvir]

Russian spying has increased.

Their aggression is so intense that some countries are thinking of joining NATO.

Poland is scared

The nordic countries are seeing more incursions of their airspace by Bear Bombers.

etc.

This shyt is back in full swing. Don't for a second think that this isn't the Cold War all over again

1. Spying by every country has been increasing due to the computer age... that has no significance. The US. is the GOAT when it comes to spying/hacking...

2. The only countries wanting to join nato now, are countries that used to be under russia's control/payroll....The willingness to remove russia's influence and join the worldstage independently shows how russia's grip is slipping from it's former soviet satellite states.

3. Poland is not "scared"... Poland is using Russias incursions to bolster public support for the government and allow more US. influence without backlash...

4. Air incursions have been the norm... just like when we used to fly SR71's OVER russia and outrun their SAMs without any repurcussions....Our military test response times through the same type of incursions all the time. Air incursions are in no way a show of superiority ... merely sabre rattling or as dudes in the hood would say "selling wolf tickets"

5. There is no cold war with a broke state that is surrounded by our allies and our military bases.... China will be a bigger player on the world stage than Russia within the next 20 years... Your post shows how little you understand about the current situation

 

[Dev2103]

To be fair I don't remember half the country getting behind putin and playing politics during the Georgia conflict under the Bush admin. He didn't do much of anything, US didn't have as much an interest in that conflict as they do in Syria but still. Russia always tries to re assert control over former bloc coutries & allies from time to time and the US can never really force any NPT countries hand. Like someone above said Europe just needs to apply pressure economically.

 

[Nomad1]

It's a wrap for Obama's foreign policy legacy as the first black president. Putin demanded U.S war planes stay out of northern Syrian air space, then he conducted air strikes on American proxy forces fighting Assad.

Russia seen what happened to Lybia after obama decided to remove MOMAR Khadafi without considering the power vacuum that would take place after they killed him.

Meanwhile, Putin says fyck Obama, I'll do what I want.

and this is some sort of accomplishment? Russia/Putin has been defiant for years now, and their economy has taken a hit with all these sanctions, said sanctions that were placed because they were not following the West's decision (not just America).

 

[Savvir]

I think firstly you have to acknowledge that the Syrian conflict is not just the Syrian government vs. The FSA.

There are so-called moderate elements (which the US is directly supporting) and of course ISIL as well.

The US government is active in Syria on two fronts; one is to overthrow the Assad regime and the other to push back and destroy ISIL.

They have not been successful on either front. ISIL has gained more territory than ever before, the US military has their weapons in the hands of extremists, and many of the so-called moderate elements have defected to both ISIL and the Al-Nusra front.

Russia on the other hand is bombing both rebel factions and ISIL and propping up the Syrian govt as you said. More importantly though, they are winning the PR war. They are showing that the Obama government is not only acting timid when it comes to ISIL, but is in fact indirectly supporting these jihadist groups.

None of the actors in the play are particularly good, but Russia is managing to show the hypocrisy of the U.S when it comes to the conflict.

the Obama government is not "acting timid" .... it's respecting the fact that the American people don't want another war...

They are doing exactly what they are supposed to...

The thing is, Russia was doing the exact same thing and knew it wasn't working so they committed fully...

They have more to lose and more to gain than we do in that region...along with less political opposition to get involved...

Their level of involvement can't be directly compared to ours because the situation is very different from our end..

If all goes to hell, we shrug and focus on dealing with iraq...
if all goes to hell, Russia loses a puppet government, a strategic military base, and their dominance over the energy market in europe gets challenged....

 

[keepemup]

This is kind of a juvenile way to frame what's going on.

 

[HollowPoints2]

What you wanted to say.

You always got some gay shyt on your mind.Projecting much?

Whats up with that picture with the idiot in the white suit?It's time to take that shyt down.

 

[Cat piss martini]

youre the greatest man alive Gawd.

what you really mean.

 

[HollowPoints2]

what you really mean.

Yeah right.

You keep the same dumb picture each time you post.It got old 2years ago.

 

[Strapped]

Best thing that could of happen let Russia sort this mess out ,can op look at Afghanistan, iraq, & lybia

 

[HollowPoints2]

This is kind of a juvenile way to frame what's going on.

You have to dumb shyt down for this audience.

Best thing that could of happen let Russia sort this mess out ,can op look at Afghanistan, iraq, & lybia

Obama fycked up Iraq and Lybia.

and this is some sort of accomplishment? Russia/Putin has been defiant for years now, and their economy has taken a hit with all these sanctions, said sanctions that were placed because they were not following the West's decision (not just America).

Congress along with the president decides when and where to authorize war.

Obama can do it, but he doesn't have the balls to do it.

 

[Mowgli]

I think firstly you have to acknowledge that the Syrian conflict is not just the Syrian government vs. The FSA.

There are so-called moderate elements (which the US is directly supporting) and of course ISIL as well.

The US government is active in Syria on two fronts; one is to overthrow the Assad regime and the other to push back and destroy ISIL.

They have not been successful on either front. ISIL has gained more territory than ever before, the US military has their weapons in the hands of extremists, and many of the so-called moderate elements have defected to both ISIL and the Al-Nusra front.

Russia on the other hand is bombing both rebel factions and ISIL and propping up the Syrian govt as you said. More importantly though, they are winning the PR war. They are showing that the Obama government is not only acting timid when it comes to ISIL, but is in fact indirectly supporting these jihadist groups.

None of the actors in the play are particularly good, but Russia is managing to show the hypocrisy of the U.S when it comes to the conflict.

ANd if the US starts shooting down russian planes and throw the military might of the us into syria to fight syria and russia, people will say hes not diplomatic enough. Its a lose lose. AMericans do not want anoher war. Should have never tried to overthrow syria.

 

[Savvir]

Should have never tried to overthrow syria.

syria was getting overthrown regardless... the US just wanted influence on whichever group would take over

 

[Savvir]

Congress along with the president decides when and where to authorize war.

Obama can do it, but he doesn't have the balls to do it.

the American people don't want another war... so why start a war when the outcome isn't going to make or break our foreign policy aspirations?