Obama on Rigged Elections: 2008

[Master Teacher]

This is literally untrue. It's nearly impossible to "rig" a non central election system in a major country like the US. If elections were run by the US government sure these questions would become pertinent. But it's not so...

Trump is going to lose because he appeals to a narrow group of the electorate, period.

lmao you realize the electoral college has always decided who the president is

and 24 of states have electors who can vote whatever they want not what the popular vote of their state was lmao

it's always been rigged

dumb ass think george bush rigged the election just because he lost the popular vote which doesn't decide anything and never has for any president that has ever been elected

99 percent of americans can't even name the person in their state who actually casts a vote for president on their behalf

 

[Piff Perkins]

lmao you realize the electoral college has always decided who the president is

and 24 of states have electors who can vote whatever they want not what the popular vote of their state was lmao

it's always been rigged

dumb ass think george bush rigged the election just because he lost the popular vote which doesn't decide anything and never has for any president that has ever been elected

99 percent of americans can't even name the person in their state who actually casts a vote for president on their behalf

Give me one example in the last 150 years of an electoral college group not voting for the person who was declared the winner of their state. This is a lazy attempt at #staywoke shyt. Yea a lot of people don't know about the electoral college. There's nothing special or shady about the electoral college. Whichever candidates wins the state always receives the majority of the EC votes in that state.

There are many cases of electors voting against the will of their state...but there hasn't been a case since the Civil War in which it has had an impact on the results. If one elector out of 20 for the state of New York doesn't vote for Hillary (when she wins the state) it doesn't matter. She still wins the state, the votes still count.

Might want to do more research next time.

 

[Master Teacher]

Give me one example in the last 150 years of an electoral college group not voting for the person who was declared the winner of their state. This is a lazy attempt at #staywoke shyt. Yea a lot of people don't know about the electoral college. There's nothing special or shady about the electoral college. Whichever candidates wins the state always receives the majority of the EC votes in that state.

There are many cases of electors voting against the will of their state...but there hasn't been a case since the Civil War in which it has had an impact on the results. If one elector out of 20 for the state of New York doesn't vote for Hillary (when she wins the state) it doesn't matter. She still wins the state, the votes still count.

Might want to do more research next time.

It's happened over 80 times, so that's 40 elections it has happened, electoral college votes from the president and vice president, so nearly every election it has happened. Sometimes they even misspelled the names of the person they were voting for. If it happens in one state every election, on average it doesn't seem like a big deal, but the point is it doesn't take much to manipulate the system if it came down to it.

Adams won the presidency losing both the popular and electoral college lmao

the reality is people don't decide who the president is, the electoral college does, it states in the constitution they can only elect the president and vice president.

lmao at stay woke shyt, lmao at mentioning facts being woke lmao, if this is what this country has come to the blame is on the people in it not the government

the fact that all the presidents except for Van Buren are related to King John of England says it all lmao

 

[无名的]

im not fine with it

your generation allowed this to happen

you guys letting the 2000 election happen with little resistance showed these people it's ok to fukk with the results


we have to fix your continuing fukk ups and complacency in the next election

You just said you're fine with it ya fukking bum.



Sorry you're so mad... did I violate your safe space? Did I commit a microaggression? Don't you dare talk about my generation while you're a member of Generation bytchassness.

 

[stealthbomber]

You just said you're fine with it ya fukking bum.



Sorry you're so mad... did I violate your safe space? Did I commit a microaggression? Don't you dare talk about my generation while you're a member of Generation bytchassness.

i said im ok with it, if it works against trump

doesn't mean im happy about it

it's just a reality

the system needs an overhaul

hilary won't do that

and in all honesty, neither would trump

he wants laws to work in his favor but all the people who think he would shake up the system are fooling themselves

he's deeply entrenched in the system

his businesses profit from the system as it stands


fukk trump and fukk clinton

trump is a loud mouth dumb shyt, who really, knows nothing

clinton is a cheating, lying politician... but at least she knows what the fukk is up

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

This thread is going to be very quiet

Can we get a little

from the usual suspects?

OK, we can start with the fact that conservatives seem to love to justify stooping to new lows by pointing to Dems who did it first.

If it was wrong for Democrats to claim elections rigged in the past, why's it OK for Republicans to do it now?

Either it's OK for everybody, or it's wrong for everybody. If you are ideologically consistent there is no gotcha here.

 

[Piff Perkins]

It's happened over 80 times, so that's 40 elections it has happened, electoral college votes from the president and vice president, so nearly every election it has happened. Sometimes they even misspelled the names of the person they were voting for. If it happens in one state every election, on average it doesn't seem like a big deal, but the point is it doesn't take much to manipulate the system if it came down to it.

Adams won the presidency losing both the popular and electoral college lmao

the reality is people don't decide who the president is, the electoral college does, it states in the constitution they can only elect the president and vice president.

lmao at stay woke shyt, lmao at mentioning facts being woke lmao, if this is what this country has come to the blame is on the people in it not the government

the fact that all the presidents except for Van Buren are related to King John of England says it all lmao

Wrong. I specifically said name one example in the last 150 years of an EC body, NOT an individual elector, voting against the decision of the state. It has not happened since the Civil War. Fact.

The reality is that the people determine who the electoral college votes for. Fact.

 

[Master Teacher]

Wrong. I specifically said name one example in the last 150 years of an EC body, NOT an individual elector, voting against the decision of the state. It has not happened since the Civil War. Fact.

The reality is that the people determine who the electoral college votes for. Fact.

Once again you said elections cannot be rigged, now you are moving goal post but they can easily be rigged, but they already rigged from the start so there's nothing to rig. Presidents a chosen this is a fact, you can look at their family tree and see it's a monarchy.

People do not choose the president

Bill clinton had less than 50 percent of the popular vote just like George W. Bush lmao

Electoral college bodies are worth different amounts, so it can be easily swayed to whoever you want to president

You are just being naive

 

[无名的]

OK, we can start with the fact that conservatives seem to love to justify stooping to new lows by pointing to Dems who did it first.

If it was wrong for Democrats to claim elections rigged in the past, why's it OK for Republicans to do it now?

Either it's OK for everybody, or it's wrong for everybody. If you are ideologically consistent there is no gotcha here.

I think it's OK for everybody to point out voter fraud. There are problems that need fixed and by waving the flag as if we're a perfect democracy that should accept the problems we have is utter bullshyt.

"Rig" is probably the wrong word for Trump to be using because it implies a conspiracy that's difficult to prove, but it's easier to say in light of the WikiLeaks emails where the deck seemed stacked against Bernie.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Once again you said elections cannot be rigged, now you are moving goal post but they can easily be rigged, but they already rigged from the start so there's nothing to rig. Presidents a chosen this is a fact, you can look at their family tree and see it's a monarchy.

People do not choose the president

Bill clinton had less than 50 percent of the popular vote just like George W. Bush lmao

Electoral college bodies are worth different amounts, so it can be easily swayed to whoever you want to president

You are just being naive

I said a centralized election system in a major country like the US is nearly impossible to rig. And that is true. And you have yet to point to ONE case of an election being stolen by the EC.

Again...the electors vote based on who won their state. When Hillary wins Michigan for instance, the electors will vote to give her the state's 16 electoral votes. That's how it works.

Bill Clinton received a plurality of votes in 1992. It was a unique race in terms of a third party candidate doing so well.

Clinton 43%
HW Bush 37%
Perot 19%

Perot didn't win any states and thus did not receive any EC votes. There's nothing crazy or weird about this, it's how the system works.

 

[thekingsmen]

This is literally untrue. It's nearly impossible to "rig" a non central election system in a major country like the US. If elections were run by the US government sure these questions would become pertinent. But it's not so...

Trump is going to lose because he appeals to a narrow group of the electorate, period.

You live in bizarro world to think elections aren't rigged but I expect this out of people who have a narrow mindset.

 

[Gyasi85]

It's happened over 80 times, so that's 40 elections it has happened, electoral college votes from the president and vice president, so nearly every election it has happened. Sometimes they even misspelled the names of the person they were voting for. If it happens in one state every election, on average it doesn't seem like a big deal, but the point is it doesn't take much to manipulate the system if it came down to it.

Adams won the presidency losing both the popular and electoral college lmao

the reality is people don't decide who the president is, the electoral college does, it states in the constitution they can only elect the president and vice president.

lmao at stay woke shyt, lmao at mentioning facts being woke lmao, if this is what this country has come to the blame is on the people in it not the government

the fact that all the presidents except for Van Buren are related to King John of England says it all lmao

2016 and not know the electoral college decides who the President is Breh's

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think it's OK for everybody to point out voter fraud. There are problems that need fixed and by waving the flag as if we're a perfect democracy that should accept the problems we have is utter bullshyt.

You are right that "waving the flag as if we're a perfect democracy" is "utter bullshyt". So would you be willing to talk about voter suppression and gerrymandering? Because by scale those are much bigger problems that are significantly easier to prove. But I also know those are tactics your side has adopted to retain power among a populous that has moved away from their practiced agenda.

"Rig" is probably the wrong word for Trump to be using because it implies a conspiracy that's difficult to prove, but it's easier to say in light of the WikiLeaks emails where the deck seemed stacked against Bernie.

The DNC's torpedoing of Bernie HELPED Trump. He should be thanking that "rigging", not crying about it.

And that you accept baseless conspiratorial accusations from a presidential candidate speaks to the (low) quality of political discourse and action you are willing to accept. If something is a problem it's a problem regardless of who does it- even YOUR candidate. Stop claiming you don't support Trump when you either make excuses for him or give him the green light for stupid shyt after finding out some Dems did it before. The GOP's race to the bottom of moral relativism is ridiculous. "Trump assaults women? Clinton did too so it's OK!" "Trump called elections rigged without evidence? Obama did too so it's OK!" Do you realize how stupid and hypocritical you sound?

 

[plushcarpet]

such a goofy woman

 

[Gyasi85]

such a goofy woman