Obama responds directly to Trump's "radical Islam" label

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You do know the shooter was let off by the FBI, which the President oversees don't you?

ISIL will only be destroyed by a Muslim army. Any outside groups attacking ISIL will only galvanize Muslims to join ISIL perpetuating the problem. If, say tomorrow, we issued a trade embargo on all Muslim majority countries until they raised an army to destroy ISIL, it would happen and ISIL would be gone.

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I'm asking what could he personally have down to stop it. I'm not asking about chain of command of the FBI. What could Obama have done to stop that guy?
 

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I'm asking what could he personally have down to stop it. I'm not asking about chain of command of the FBI. What could Obama have done to stop that guy?

Like what Barack Hussein Obama could've PERSONALLY done to stop the shooter?

Presidents function through their administration. They take credit for what their administration does right, they get faulted for what their administration gets wrong. Having better policies with his chain of command of FBI is what he personally could've done.
 

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so the fbi should keep him detained even though they don't make a case? .i wonder what all these constitution loving muricans would think about that.

obama was just talking a couple weeks ago in that elkhart town hall about how potential terrorists are on watchlists and authorities can stop them from flying, but not buying.

Obama to gun owners — I’m not looking to disarm you
 

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Like what Barack Hussein Obama could've PERSONALLY done to stop the shooter?

Presidents function through their administration. They take credit for what their administration does right, they get faulted for what their administration gets wrong. Having better policies with his chain of command of FBI is what he personally could've done.

I seriously don't understand what you're advocating here. Surely you aren't suggesting the president take away the rights of Americans based on a hunch that they might do something wrong one day?
 

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I seriously don't understand what you're advocating here. Surely you aren't suggesting the president take away the rights of Americans based on a hunch that they might do something wrong one day?

Nah, I'm suggesting he stops letting certain people in until radical Islam is weeded out. I explained how in an above post.

There's no way to stop to every lone wolf terrorist. But you can exert influence on Islam so it's no longer culturally acceptable within Muslim society.
 

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Nah, I'm suggesting he stops letting certain people in until radical Islam is weeded out. I explained how in an above post.

There's no way to stop to every lone wolf terrorist. But you can exert influence on Islam so it's no longer culturally acceptable within Muslim society.
well considering the age of this native born citizen, you're picking the wrong situation to advocate your solution because it wouldn't have helped. you might as well say obama should travel back in time 28 years ago to queens, nyc and kick the mother in the stomach repeately. that would be more effective.
 

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Nah, I'm suggesting he stops letting certain people in until radical Islam is weeded out. I explained how in an above post.

There's no way to stop to every lone wolf terrorist. But you can exert influence on Islam so it's no longer culturally acceptable within Muslim society.

But how do you "weed out" people who share a certain ideology? What are the moral implications for advocating and legislating against thought crime, especially considering the freedom of religion is one of America's most fundamental principles? How does what you propose address extremists who are already Americans and might want to cause harm to others?

It sounds to me like this is some way to restrict certain people from entering the country indefinitely.
 

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well considering the age of this native born citizen, you're picking the wrong situation to advocate your solution because it wouldn't have helped. you might as well say obama should travel back in time 28 years ago to queens, nyc and kick the mother in the stomach repeately. that would be more effective.

It would've helped if it was what we had always done.

The people being let in today will give birth to the next generation's Orlando shooter.
 
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