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Republican support for Putin jumped 60 points from 2014 and 40 points from August 2016 alone. What the hell is "essentially the same pattern" about the other graph? It ain't remotely close.

(maybe you didn't see that the Russia chart goes all the way back to the Cold War. Most of that is irrelevant talking about today's politics. Look at the stretch from 2014 if you want to compare it to the second graph).



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According to both graphs from 2014 to 2016 favorability was rising slightly with Democrats being steadily "more favorable" towards Russia/Putin. In 2016, Republicans became more favorable towards Russia/Putin, and the divide became more pronounced. How could you possibly not see that?

Also, 50 years ago isnt irrelevant.
 

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According to both graphs from 2014 to 2016 favorability was rising slightly with Democrats being steadily "more favorable" towards Russia/Putin. In 2016, Republicans became more favorable towards Russia/Putin, and the divide became more pronounced. How could you possibly not see that?

Also, 50 years ago isnt irrelevant.

50 years ago is irrelevant to comparing the graphs, because one of them only goes back 2 years. It's mostly irrelevant when talking about how this year's political cycle affected current opinions, though I agree there can be some value for explanatory purposes.

The "slight rise" you're talking about among Democrats from mid-2014 to mid-2016 is within the margin of error of the polls. It's irrelevant, random noise. The most you coul say is that Democrats' views towards Russia/Putin were effectively stable, while Republican views had improved slightly.

There is definitely the same drop in views of Russia/Putin among Democrats in late 2016 in the two polls, about 12 points in one and about 20 points in the other. The reason for that, of course, is obvious. That's the only similarity.

There is a MASSIVE improvement in Republican views towards Putin, over 40 points since mid-2016 and nearly 60 points higher than mid-2014. That's by far the most striking trend in that poll, which isn't reflected in the first poll because Trump's love-affair language has consistently focused on Putin, not Russia, and because old Republicans still have strong biases against Russia as a word.
 

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50 years ago is irrelevant to comparing the graphs, because one of them only goes back 2 years. It's mostly irrelevant when talking about how this year's political cycle affected current opinions, though I agree there can be some value for explanatory purposes.

The "slight rise" you're talking about among Democrats from mid-2014 to mid-2016 is within the margin of error of the polls. It's irrelevant, random noise. The most you coul say is that Democrats' views towards Russia/Putin were effectively stable, while Republican views had improved slightly.

There is definitely the same drop in views of Russia/Putin among Democrats in late 2016 in the two polls, about 12 points in one and about 20 points in the other. The reason for that, of course, is obvious. That's the only similarity.

There is a MASSIVE improvement in Republican views towards Putin, over 40 points since mid-2016 and nearly 60 points higher than mid-2014. That's by far the most striking trend in that poll, which isn't reflected in the first poll because Trump's love-affair language has consistently focused on Putin, not Russia, and because old Republicans still have strong biases against Russia as a word.
So your point is that the graph with more information is less useful because the one with less information sensationalizes the change more so as to make it seem MASSIVE? It's click bate that doesnt say anything different than the one I posted. Notice the y axis of yours is still a negative value.
 
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There has been a 60 point improvement in Republican attitudes towards Putin since 2014. It went from -66 to -10. Republicans are now almost four times more likely to have a favourable view of the Russian dictator, a KGB agent who assassinates journalists and political opponents and has completely shut down freedom of religion, press, speech, and assembly, as they are of their own president, who is barely more liberal than some of their previous candidates.

I don't know why you think it's "sensationalised" to point that out.

The difference between a 20-point shift and a 60-point shift is huge.

Your graph didn't show that because your graph didn't show attitudes towards Putin, and all Trump's language has been directed towards Putin specifically.
 

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Its not just important for the baltic countries to have remain sovereign. It is also a very strategic point when it comes to gas and oil flow to Europe and the rest of the world. Also if Russia where to have war ships and so close to the Baltic Sea, you would destabilize the whole scandinavian region together with Poland.

And also, the baltic countries are part of NATO. If NATO would to loss power, you would also destabilize the entire eastern europe.
 
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