Obama sends special forces to the Russian border

[African Peasant]

I know the "fascist" label can be a hyperbole but it fits the bill with Putin.

He is a traditionalist who uses cult of personality and force to broaden his image of strength to the Russia people.

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Fascism rejects traditionalism. Fascists tried to destroy modernity by going beyond it, not going backward.

Of course, Russia has a cesarist regime, like Italy under Mussolini, but you still have differences.

 

[African Peasant]

hopefully, but seeing he has a defense department full of zionists, they might pivot away from china and russia and double down on middle east fukkery.

It seems that Trump and his camp are trying to play Russia against China.

 

[David_TheMan]

It seems that Trump and his camp are trying to play Russia against China.

Wouldn't be shocked to be honest seeing who is in his camp.Same shyt different day

 

[JahFocus CS]

Fascism rejects traditionalism. Fascists tried to destroy modernity by going beyond it, not going backward.

Of course, Russia has a cesarist regime, like Italy under Mussolini, but you still have differences.

How did Nazis (I know you said "fascists," but Nazis are the foremost example of fascists) "try to destroy modernity by going beyond it, not going backward"? How are you defining "modernity"?

 

[African Peasant]

Dugin is not THAT important in Russia. He's a public figure/intellectual with influence but he's not writing Putin's speeches. He doesn't have THAT type of influence. He's not Banon or Zbig.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

y'all thought this shyt was a game?


I've been warning you

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The Baltic states would love to stay neutral if they could have confidence that it was possible. It's Russia that keeps them from confidence. Why should they be forced by an outside influence (Russia) to not get their own say on who they will associate with?





So you cape for Russian imperialism as a solution to avoiding American imperialism.





I love how you just copy-and-pasted Russia's explanation of events.

Ignore that it actually started with Ukraine wanting to get associated with the EU, something that has been pursued by multiple Ukraine governments AND which Yanukovich had publically supported.

Ignore that that EU deal was almost complete and had the signing scheduled when Russia threatened Yanukovich with economic retaliation and forced him to go against the people's will and sign with them instead.

Ignore that afte losing the man he'd bribed, Putin filled Crimea with masked soldiers without insignia and denied that his soldiers were in Crimea at all, in multiple violations of international law.

Ignore that after annealing Crimea (without even admitting afterwards that he'd obviously lied about not being in Crimea), Russia then proceeded to invade other portions of Ukraine, again against international law, again while denying it's even there.

Ignore than Russian-supported forces used Russian equipment to shoot down a passenger plane.

Ignore that Russia has pushed forth a dozen self-contradictory lies to explain why it wasn't responsible, including bragging about shooting down a military plane before they realized their error, claiming the plane was a drone with fake bodies that was staged, claiming the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter, claiming it was shot by an allied surface-to-air missile, claiming it was a mistake by forces trying to assassinate Putin, showing fake satellite pics with a Ukrainian fighter behind it AND fake satellite pics with nothing around at all, etc.

Why do you still believe Russian narratives when they've shown such a total disregard for the truth?

lets not ignore that Yushchenko almost got KILLED by the Kremlin when they failed to poison him ...then every other president fell in line?

Remember when a Ukrainian presidential candidate fell mysteriously ill?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He's the leading philosopher of nothing. He's a guy with some ideas who is free to speak on TV.

Not nearly as influential as you'd like him to be. He been deriding Putin, and has called for genocide of Ukrainians and full scale war with Europe.

He just serves as an outlet for outsiders who want to villify Russia to point to and say 'this is how they operate'.

he's so unimportant he has a show on Russian state TV and does interviews with foreign media

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It seems that Trump and his camp are trying to play Russia against China.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How did Nazis (I know you said "fascists," but Nazis are the foremost example of fascists) "try to destroy modernity by going beyond it, not going backward"? How are you defining "modernity"?

Eugenics, etc.

 

[African Peasant]

How did Nazis (I know you said "fascists," but Nazis are the foremost example of fascists) "try to destroy modernity by going beyond it, not going backward"? How are you defining "modernity"?

No, Nazis are not fascists. They are different.

I'm defining modernity as an historical moment, the one we're living right now, even though some will say we're living in post modernity. It also can be defined as a civilization; the civilization born in Europe 4 centuries ago and based on things like science, rationality or individualism and opposed to the traditional world.

Fascists didn't like modernity and its consequences but they didn't want want to recreate the ancient world. That was the goal of reactionaries (with the Church). Fascists built modern societies ( based on science, industry, modern nation-state, etc) but with anti modern goals : destroying individualism and recreating an organic community, rejecting other major modern ideologies : liberalism and communism, etc.

To me, the only example of fascism is Italy (1919-1945).

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I guess the flip flopping isn't all that crazy.

Republicans are mostly old people who have too much latent Cold War brainwashing to say they "like" Russia. And Trump hasn't encouraged them to like Russia anyway, he's encouraged them to like Putin. That's how you end up with this graph:

 

[Shogun]

Republicans are mostly old people who have too much latent Cold War brainwashing to say they "like" Russia. And Trump hasn't encouraged them to like Russia anyway, he's encouraged them to like Putin. That's how you end up with this graph:

Both graphs are essentially showing the same pattern, though.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Both graphs are essentially showing the same pattern, though.

Republican support for Putin jumped 60 points from 2014 and 40 points from August 2016 alone. What the hell is "essentially the same pattern" about the other graph? It ain't remotely close.

(maybe you didn't see that the Russia chart goes all the way back to the Cold War. Most of that is irrelevant talking about today's politics. Look at the stretch from 2014 if you want to compare it to the second graph).