Obamacare bout to get clapped

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I'm all familiar with Democratic campaign slogans and promises regarding this issue. The fact is that a true legitimate expansion should have been sought from the start, not negotiated off the table in private in negotiations with private insurance companies.



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People were asking for Medicaid expansion for decades. None of it has happened on anywhere near a scale that benefits most of the working class in this country. You know, the labor that funds the pockets of the government, makes the rich richer, and helps subsidized the poor. Much like education, they are the ones being royally fukked here.



"Setting the stage", "paving the path", blah blah. These are not absolutes. Like I previously mentioned, the country heard these same things 50 years ago. The Democratic Party on a Federal Level has shown time and time again that they are slave to corporate interests and this gives you faith that they will fight to make social progress on their own big business bill? I don't even know what to say to that line of thinking.

At the end of the day it was either kill the public option or no bill. I'd rather have 20mil people with healthcare under the law than 20mil without healthcare/no law. Nothing is perfect in Washington.

You're right, they've been "setting the stage" for decades. But there's no question we're closer now than ever, thanks to ACA. In many ways the law is a corporate giveaway but it's also a blatant trojan horse for single payer. The infrastructure has never been in place for single payer or a public option until now.

The goal now is to replace corporate democrats. The current republican party is fukked long term imo, I'm not worried about them. The danger is the corporate democrats, who are the ones who fought the public option and Medicare-for-all in 2009. Thankfully the senate has more outright liberals than it has had in quite some time, led by Elizabeth Warren. We need more. I don't care who the president is as long as he or she signs good, liberal legislation. And the best way to ensure that is to pay more attention to who you're sending to Washington...
 

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As a libertarian you think the government broadly regulating a healthcare market is so bad you prefer the government to actually fund and control it?
:why:No, I think given the choice between Obamacare and a Single payer system, the single payer is the way to go...

You guys seem to be approaching the issue as though a free market option is actually on the table...:mjlol:
 

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on the real tho, our political system is so fukked, no one even cares about doing the right thing or pushing the best version of a bill forward, it's all about compromise, getting your earmarks in and building/changing political relationships. All of our politicians are bankers and businessmen not servants of the people.
I wonder if longer term limits for representatives would fix some of this... :lupe:
 

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why are you even selecting between the two when you'd opt for neither?
By not selecting one because neither is what I would like to see happen, I am agreeing to whatever the outcome is.
Do you follow? Not sure if I'm articulating what i am trying to say clearly but... Basically, if the shytty option wins, i contributed to it by not supporting the better option, whatever it may be.


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By not selecting one because neither is what I would like to see happen, I am agreeing to whatever the outcome is.
Do you follow? Not sure, I'm articulating what i am trying to say clearly but... Basically, if the shytty option wins, i contributed to it by not supporting the better option.


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More stupidity.

Pick an outcome and stick to it. Don't do the sliding scale shyt.
 

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How is this illegal? How is a tax credit violating anyone's rights? :beli:
Because in a nation of laws you have to follow the laws.

So basically even though we want to make policy that helps people, we're limited to stringent loop-holes and verbal tricks to get people to back down from things

Its why people hate lawyers.
 

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Obama is the new age Jimmy Carter, people are not gonna appreciate what he did (or tried to do) for 30 years. The more rounds this healthcare act survives the closer we can potentially get to universal healthcare. I mean in the long term, we should hope this survives.
 

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fukk obamacare

we were promised more affordable health care

what i got was heathcare the same fukking price as the overpriced shyt my job already offered... and a penalty if i didnt get it

is that obama's idea of "help"?
 

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Are you also against state mandated car insurance? :ufdup:
state mandated car insurance is more to help victims of careless drivers than the careless drivers themselves.

would you want someone to run a red light and smash up your ride and put you in the hospital, with no means to take care of it? :sas1::sas2:
 

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fukk obamacare

we were promised more affordable health care

what i got was heathcare the same fukking price as the overpriced shyt my job already offered... and a penalty if i didnt get it

is that obama's idea of "help"?
I guess you didn't understand how the bill was designed to HELP people, not hurt them.
 
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