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Not a damn soul can do what he can do from the center position.
It’s about time nikkas come to accept that.
It’s about time nikkas come to accept that.
Offensively How Many Centers In NBA History Are You Taking Over Current Jokic?
- Thread starter Devil Plisken…CMS
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Yeah, it's tough to compare to other centers because he's almost playing a whole new position.
He's the greatest ballhandler, the greatest passer, and one of the greatest shooters we've ever seen at center. He's the most offensively creative center I've ever seen and the most clutch center I've ever seen. The only thing any other center has over him is banging inside, and he's pretty damn good at that too, just not the absolute top.
No other center has a highlight reel anything like this. That shyt at 2:00 is just stupid.
“Offensively” 
If you need a qualifier to justify your argument, you don’t have one. This is like asking who’s a better SF than Carmelo offensively. A thread I’ve never seen made 
As I mentioned last season, we have now reached the “Jokic is better than Wilt” era and quickly approaching he’s better than Hakeem, Shaq, and Kareem era.
If you need a qualifier to justify your argument, you don’t have one. This is like asking who’s a better SF than Carmelo offensively. A thread I’ve never seen made As I mentioned last season, we have now reached the “Jokic is better than Wilt” era and quickly approaching he’s better than Hakeem, Shaq, and Kareem era.
Mr Hate Coffee
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Wilt was a generational athlete and with today’s training/skillset would be the best center in the league.
Not taking him over Jokic is laughable.
What was Wilt's offensive "skillset"? Could he put the ball on the floor and get to the hoop? Is there a single shot he hit consistently from more than 3 feet out? Could he even make free throws?
There's a reason he only averaged 22ppg on 52% shooting career in the playoffs. Claiming he would be the best offensive center in the league right now when he wasn't even doing it most of his own career against terrible competition is ridiculous.
If he had a great offensive skillset, then what the hell happened to it against quality competition?
1964 Finals: 29.2ppg on 51.7% shooting (41.5% free throws) in a 5-game loss.
1967 Finals: 17.7ppg on 55.6% shooting (51.9% free throws) in a 6-game win.
1969 Finals: 11.7ppg on 50% shooting (36.4% free throws) in a 7-game loss.
1970 Finals: 23.3ppg on 62.5% shooting (34.3% free throws) in a 7-game loss
1972 Finals: 19.4ppg on 60% shooting (54.3% free throws) in a 5-game win
1973 Finals: 11.6ppg on 52.4% shooting (36.8% free throws) in a 5-game loss
That's EVERY Finals of his career. He has as many Finals scoring under 12ppg as he has scoring over 20ppg. As many Finals shooting under 53% from the field as he has shooting over 55%. As many Finals making less than 37% of his free throws as he has making over 40%.
Wilt myths have been blown wildly out of proportion because he was physically unmatchable in his own era and that era favored dumping the ball into a center. But there is zero evidence he had an elite, reliable offensive skillset beyond the huge gaps in height and athleticism, and it always showed in the playoffs where the other teams had quality centers too.
And I'm merely talking offense here. Not defense or rebounding.
Mr Hate Coffee
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To be honest, I didn't realize the thread was only about offense although I do believe Wilt would’ve developed a good offensive skillset had he grown up in today’s game.
And I can tell you know ball from the cfb thread so imma fall back.
This an unfair comparison considering wilt grew up in the 50s, today's offensive counters and medicine didn't exist in the 50s-60s, can't just drop someone from 1980 to 1959 breh
But you know what did exist? Free throw shooting. And how did Wilt do at that?
I'm supposed to believe that a center who shot 46.5% from the line in the playoffs for his career was going to master some full-range offensive skillset?
Besides, we were asked which center we would take offensively over Jokic. So we should look at the actual centers that played, not some imaginary version of them born in a different era.
Wilt was never a dominant scorer in the playoffs. And that's where it matters. Scoring 100 in a meaningless regular season game against some 6'8" white backup forward who wasn't even supposed to be out there is not what makes you the greatest offensive center of all time. It's what you do against the best when it matters.
Last year alone, Jokic put up:
26ppg and 9apg on 58% TS against Gobert and the Timberwolves
35ppg and 10apg on 66% TS against Ayton and the Suns
28ppg and 12apg on 60% TS against AD and the Lakers
30ppg and 7apg on 67% TS against Bam and the Heat
Those are offensively insane performances, and he did it against three DPOY candidates. Wilt just doesn't have a run anything like that one his resume, especially not after they widened the lane to 16 feet.
You're being ignorant on basketball once again, PC.
Shaq is career 53% from the line in the regular season, 50% in the playoffs.
Wilt is career 51% from the line in the regular season, 46% in the playoffs.
If you can't keep Shaq cause hack-a-shaq will work, then you can't keep Wilt either.
mastermind
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probably just Kareem because he was a volume scorer that helped his teams win big. That’s probably it. Even then, Jokic does more things offensively than Kareem.
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Detroit Wave
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Shaq, hakeem, kareem.
