Official 2020 Iowa Caucus Thread

[Apollo Kid]

Straight up yelling at someone and telling them they're wrong is a terrible way to convert them over to your side. It might give you an endorphin rush or get some likes and retweets, but this whole style of all stick no carrot is caused by social media reinforcement bubbles and leads to heavy polarization.

This feels like a sub towards Nap

 

[BillBanneker]

How did you even get that from my post?

This is what I mean about Bernie supporters being overly defensive and confrontational. All I did was state what his opinion was on Bernie last time it was brought up and point out that Bernie needs to increase his appeal to voters like that (ie. older black voters that have been voting Dem long before most of us were born).

The problem with this logic is that it's just a unsubstantiated claim that you're allowing your fam to run with, then you say bernie has to appeal to him anyway.

But if you don't support bernie then I could see why you don't care to correct it.

 

[Kenny West]

fukk out of here. How do y'all fix your fingers to argue that the onus is on Bernie stans after admitting that you're grandfather is an actual conspiracy theorist.

How is it that Bernie supporters are always held responsible for the biases held by other people?

*Corrects conspiracy theory uninformed voter gets from mainstream media*

"Gosh you bernie bros are so defensive!! You think everything is a conspiracy blah blah blah "

Dont play these games. fukk them. Overwhelm the haters with the movement.

Straight up yelling at someone and telling them they're wrong is a terrible way to convert them over to your side. It might give you an endorphin rush or get some likes and retweets, but this whole style of all stick no carrot is caused by social media reinforcement bubbles and leads to heavy polarization.

Luckily for Sanders, the DNC has already established themselves in this role.

I mean the right managed to characterize liberals as participation trophy kids who hop online and yell at everyone over gender pronouns already. The same left who profiles trump supporters (accurately) and spent YEARS waving around terms like "white male privilege" in the media. The civility ship left port long long ago, the onus is not on sanders supporters for any of this shyt.

And truthfully I'd prefer political antagonism to be done on the terms of policy and ideas rather than accusations of homophobia sexism transwhateverism etc.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I am not saying ALL boomers are bad. It isn't my intention to demonize them. If I thought that way I wouldn't be a supporter of Bernie Sanders lol.
My mom and dad are boomers and I love them both.

However, that doesn't negate the fact that baby boomers as a collective failed to address some of the existential issues we face today and will leave us a world that is radically more unstable. They were young adults in an era where the future was generally viewed with optimism. They were blinded with the illusion that neo-liberalism could solve the worlds problems. And now we have an unprecedented ecological collapse unfolding before our eyes. The world is literally heating up with each passing decade due to our dependency on fossil fuels. We have a military industrial complex that is completely out of control. We are seeing the rise of right wing fascism all across the globe. Wealth inequality is dangerously high. Nuclear confrontation is the highest its ever been since the Cold War.
These are just some of the issues of our generation. So I feel, as do many others that baby boomers are in no position to keep us from making progress. They need to either get out of the way or help us rebuild the world they trashed. Their maintenance of the status quo and philosophy of making small incremental changes are outdated. That simply isn't going to work in the new world.

this is wishful thinking, every generation will have the issues they champion and those they don't understand or don't see the need to go to bat for, they're not just going to step out the way, just like we won't when we're that age.

they're the generation who fought back against endless war re: vietnam yet also lived under the social conditioning (and scare) of the cold war...why would we expect them to not have a military industrial complex?

they came of age when oil and coal were booming US industries and all things were fueled by it, i don't expect them to be the one's to say cut it out, they also didn't have the data points that we have - we grew up with tings like earth day, recycling commercials, knowledge of a hole in the ozone - climate and sustainability came about in our youth, not theirs, we've been conditioned to care more.

wealth inequality isn't a manifestation of boomer ideology, it has existed for millenia and will continue as long as wealth = power. look at folks like zuckerberg, millennials of wealth carry the same views and want to maintain the stat quo that existed long before them.

i just think it's too easy to point out flaws while not looking at all the inputs that shape their views vs what shaped ours.

 

[FAH1223]

Ex Chair of the Iowa Dem Party

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Straight up yelling at someone and telling them they're wrong is a terrible way to convert them over to your side. It might give you an endorphin rush or get some likes and retweets, but this whole style of all stick no carrot is caused by social media reinforcement bubbles and leads to heavy polarization.

I never said @acri1 had to yell at his grandfather so I don't know why this is the second time this is being brought up

Matter of fact, that's aaaaactually an own goal if you guys think in-person outreach and education is ranting and raving

There is a major difference between being an uninformed and an unreachable voter. It's ok if a voter despises Bernie or socialism. We're just tired of that hate being masked by some bullshyt.

 

[King Static X]

He is boomer’s ideal version of a millennial. That is his base and why it seems like he has no energy. They are all over 60 or liberal white women.

I saw a couple of fine young sistas standing behind Pete at one of his rallies and I was like .

 

[No1]

I saw a couple of fine young sistas standing behind Pete at one of his rallies and I was like .

That was placement. Happens at every rally.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Dr. Acula]

That's fine. But's that because you personally don't feel that topic at hand requires badgering. Which again is fine.

But then be willing to accept that same thing from white people who don't go John Brown in the face of their family racism. Accept the same from men who are quite when other men say they're not willing to vote for or work under a woman.

Everyone has that "don't preach to me" breaking point. I get it. And I also get some of my posts come of belligerent as fukk. But the real outreach and political education happens at home among family and friends. I spent all last year trying to explain polling to my Aunt because she watches Joy Reid. It's Joy's fault for being a fukkn terrible host, but it's my job to combat her BS.

My mom is like your aunt. She LOVES Joy Reid, probably because she is a black woman and she wants to support her and therefore has incentive to listen to her even more. She used to love Melissa Harris Perry when she had a show too. My mom is a very intelligent woman and whatever she reads she can recite all details and facts and hold on them to give a collectivized view and opinion on a subject. She's schooled me a few times during debates.

The problem is the only news she watches is MSNBC and only reads NYTimes or The Guardian. She has a lot of disdain for "young people" who she thinks only gets their news online from Twitter and Facebook. So, whenever there is a thought or opinion she wants to share, if I have some idea of what was on MSNBC and NYTimes recently, I know she will have an opinion close or in line what is pushed on there. Wouldn't say she is completely brain washed by it but it has some influence and that is only place she is getting information from.

Most of those media orgs do not paint Bernie in a good light. There is some bias you have to break through.

 

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[ADevilYouKhow]

That was placement. Happens at every rally.

Well that’s rather dismissive and not very kind


Maybe in Iowa there are lots of beautiful black women that happen to be attending and are Pete supporters

 

[DonKnock]

MSNBC is pissing me off with their anti-progressive agenda. If the party wants to shift more left... allow it. But they won't because they are all centrist establishment puppets with ties to big Pharma.

fukk that. You want to be a liberal then you recognize that people are fukking with Bernie and Liz. Do I think everything Bernie says can get done? No, not realistically but it's almost as if they hate him as much as they hate Trump.

I'm gonna spit in their faces if they fukk this up in November.

The only valuable thing Trumpito has ever contributed to society was calling them "MSDNC"

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

fukk James Carville

 

[No1]

I know. I have no problem with this. Everyone starts somewhere. I'm just amazed at how many people are willing to hold voters unaccountable in their own growth process.

Every Hillary -> Biden, Pete, Amy, Warren supporter holds themselves in such high self esteem as some reachable voter. Like, yo if you don't believe health care is a right for all, you are by definition unreachable. If you don't care about drone strikes, you are unreachable.

Some of them can’t be reached. I look at like crime. I view someone who commits white collar crime very differently than a poor kid on the street. That brand of voter is the ops. I’m talking about the people who think the opps are on their side (which is most).