Official Coli Incarceration and Prison Thread...

[desjardins]

@murksiderock
you mention the large amount of fights you got into in a short period of time. Would you say it's basically impossible to avoid fights in prison via politicking and minding your business? Can you be the "cool dude" in prison and basically avoid any static during your bid?
obviously prison is another level of manipulation and pressure but I navigated a high school that was pretty much a warzone by moving right, staying out the mix (gambling, gangs) and rolling with a core unit of dudes so if I was in a floor or bathroom that was active i had numbers

 

[murksiderock]

@murksiderock
you mention the large amount of fights you got into in a short period of time. Would you say it's basically impossible to avoid fights in prison via politicking and minding your business? Can you be the "cool dude" in prison and basically avoid any static during your bid?
obviously prison is another level of manipulation and pressure but I navigated a high school that was pretty much a warzone by moving right, staying out the mix (gambling, gangs) and rolling with a core unit of dudes so if I was in a floor or bathroom that was active i had numbers

It's not impossible but there are alot of factors at play. First and foremost how you present yourself to others goes a long way in determining your involvement in bullshyt. If you present yourself as a tough guy, guys are gonna want to find out. If you present yourself as a money getter, guys are gonna want to see it. If you affiliate with people closely there's an expectation that should there ever be beef, their beef is your beef. On and on and on...

Age is also a factor. The older a guy is the less cats are prone to check them, not that it doesn't happen, but 40 and 50 and 60+ year olds aren't generally involved in drama unless they want to be. So yes if you're young guys definitely expect you to act a certain way...

Most of my fights during my incarceration were gang related. I had others that weren't, like me and one guy got into it in the box then when we came out we lined it up for all the shyt talking. I had a fight with a guy on the rec yard in county while awaiting sentencing, who singled me out because I'm a smaller guy. Had the fight with the COs and had one where my celly kept refusing to clean the cell...

If I wasn't caught up in gang politics I would have had fewer issues, certainly. But jail, and definitely prisons on a max level, are proving grounds and I was a "prove it" type dude so I generally approached situations like I wanted the static...

You could be the cool, chill guy who doesn't bother anyone and could still run across someone who takes your desire to mind your own business as a weakness, that happens. But nah I don't think it's impossible to avoid fights, I think it just depends on how you carry yourself...

Definitely in prison though, if you're affiliating with a "core group" of guys, you're gangbanging. Whether you say you are or not. When there's an issue with someone in that core group, and people know you're thick with them, nikkas are putting you on the list too if there's an issue with one or more of those guys...

Cats who go to prison and don't try to ride with any crew, don't get involved with any of the hustles or gambling like you said, don't get involved with drugs, don't flirt with COs, don't try to get favors from COs, don't challenge nikkas (this means even staring nikkas down or nonverbal body language as much as anything physical or verbal), stay outta daily gossip and mind your own business---->guys who avoid these things will have minimal trouble...

Bit prison is an all-male high school on steroids, it's all gossip and men trying to prove to other men that they are tough!

 

[murksiderock]

I'm gonna be back to revisit this later, because people like my girl are surprised that there are guys with "short time" in blocks and prisons with Lifers and Baby L's. But there's alot of guys like me, because as I mentioned earlier you can catch a charge that sends you to max level if you're not initially classed as such...

I've heard mentioned on here many times about guys who know killers, and this guy is doing/did _____ time (many years), etc, but some of the hoe'est nikkas you meet are nikkas with all kinds of violent convictions. And there's some real hitters who don't have a ton of time. And of course many dudes with major time are active but the point is in there, nikkas don't look at your time and think "damn, this is a real nikka". Guys don't say "damn he in here for two bodies, don't fukk with that nikka". That's how people think out here. In there, max yards specifically, it's about how active you are there. Your street reputation isn't as prominent as whatever reputation you establish inside----->hundreds of nikkas on these yards have killed people and/or shot/cut multiple people. Hundreds. And alota them nikkas are chumps...

 

[Lord_nikon]

Bit prison is an all-male high school on steroids, it's all gossip and men trying to prove to other men that they are tough!

Good point

I never been to Prison or jail and that Correlation is something i thought about,,,

i went to school all my life around projects

 

[murksiderock]

Another thing before I come back, I never stabbed anyone. My block got shook down on August 25, 2008 and I had a banger (shank, there's a thousand slang terms for it). Got 6 months for it, came down on February 6, 2009 and got sent to STGMU which I'll probably talk about at some point...

That particular block was the wildest block I was ever on, so I had it in case I needed it. No doubt in my mind I would use it if I felt I had to but I never did...

Regarding stabbings in general, they happen. Again my stay at prison wasn't that long so no one was murdered during my stay but several people were stabbed, including a guy I fought in April 2008, he got stabbed either in or around his eye in 2009, and there were a couple different riots and lockdowns. I don't recall there being any fatalities while I was there but it was always around the corner, and I'd definitely heard of dudes being killed before I got there. I guess my time just coincided with a period where no one actually lost their life...

Also gonna get into the reputations of certain cities and shyt, that was definitely interesting to learn given I'm not a Carolina native!

 

[pawdalaw]

These are my favorite ytbrs on the subject. Good stories/rehabilitation after being released.


Outside of a couple of visits to county as an adult (tickets) I've been relatively trouble free. Fortunate enough to be able to navigate/avoid situations.

 

[pawdalaw]

Previous thread.

Did a few county stints on traffic tickets and shyt. one of the most memorable stories was seeing some Nikkas from Chicago get caught up in Detroit on some Dope charges. It's ironic because the week prior I had read the story of their arrest in the newspaper. They got pulled over on the highway. Them boys called the dogs out and they found; and I quote exactly (to my recollection) A ki, a half ki, an eigth of a ki, an oz. and an eightball of cooked cocaine. Them nikkas knew they was about to do some time. They was in there biting their nails and shyt. cursing that damn police dog. Having conversations with God out loud and shyt. I felt sorry for them. They seemed like good dudes... except they sold crack. this was during the disproportionate law times. So Them Nikkas was prolly looking at life. I never heard or found out what became of them... I hope they by now seen the light of day. Because it was obvious that they were pawns.

My worst stint was as a Juvenile. I was a runaway. Caught with about 10 rocks at 16. police twisted my arm until my shoulder dislocated. banged my head on a brick wall.Took me to the precinct, threatened to beat my ass if I was lying about my age. Some old Uncle tom ass cop sang a song seemingly to mock me while he was taking my prints booking me and shyt. when they took me to the cell house it was like a scene from the movies. everyone waving their hands through the bars trying to get the CO's attention. He put me in the first cell. everybody asking for a cigarette. the metal walls were rusted from inmates pissing in the corner.

later they brought in 2 kids my age that had beat a crackheads ass. a female CO came and told us that if you got a gun or drug charge You going to the Youth home. They both looked at Me with sorrow on their faces. They was like " You gonna have to fight for Your life up in there. I didn't really feel any type of way. I was just tired of the street life and missed the restrictive home that I ran away from. In my heart i knew I was ready for whatever. I remember being transported to the Juvenile. As I'm being processed in, there was a riot on the 4th floor. The intake "clerk" gave me pants that were so big that they would fall down if I didn't hold them up... And guess where they put me? On the 4th floor where they just squashed the uprising. I told the nurse there that I was suicidal so they gave me a mattress in the hallway. When day broke I just sat back and watched... Who was strong, who was weak etc. the next night they put me in my own room. And the nikka in the cell next to me would sing himself to sleep. I swear that nikka had a beautifull voice. Not on some gay r&b shyt. The nikka could just sing and I was in awe by that shyt.

After the first couple of days I was able to move about and scope the situation. There were killers there. Young rich nikkas on the phone talking about selling their benz's and shyt to try to make bond. In the Day room there was a table where all the "big" boys sat. right in front of the TV. They were the first to get lunch trays and shyt. I knew I had to make some type of power play. the next day, I was the first one out and I sat at the table. The dude that I presumed to be the leader. confronted me and said "That seat is already taken killa" had he came at me any other way I knew it would get ugly. but because he called me killer I was Just like "ok" and moved. None of them nikkas fukked with me after that. It was just a quiet unspoken respect. A few days later this young big nikka came in. didn't respect the pecking order. just grabbed a chair and took it and sat down in front of the TV. He was asked to move several times. but he was like "fukk that! I aint moving shyt." that night almost the whole pod beat his ass in the bathroom.

One of the things that stick out the most in my mind was all of the Young black males. I remember moving about the facility and You would just see hundrends maybe thousands of black teenagers of every hue, height,fat, skinny. many with battle scars, missing teeth, casts on limbs, black eyes, faces stitched up. It was surreal. because danger was always there. If God was in my life at that moment, He was definitely smiling at me. because I left unscathed.

 

[murksiderock]

Previous thread.

You from Detroit?

I got arrested for my bid three days after I turned 17 (June 7, 2006). You're in intake at that jail for 48 hours then they classify you and send you back to the houses/pods...

Similar experience with me, my first day back on a block, so I been in jail 3 or 4 days total, I changed the TV. Older cat, actually wasn't that much older, only about 10 years older than me at the time, he was locked in his cell on a disciplinary and called me over to ask me why I changed the TV. I basically replied to him because I wasn't watching that shyt (this was damn near 16 years ago, I can't remember what was on it or what I turned it to). He asked me to change it back and I told him no, so he was like "that's aiight"...

Two other young boys my age were on the dayroom with me, he called them over and told them to either get me to change the TV back or roll me up. So they called me over to an area near the yard, ironically one of the two young boys my age was the nikka I spoke on earlier who had the kidnapping bid, the prison KO king who we became friends later. So him and another young boy called cornered me and told me to change it, I told them no, they basically told me they were gonna beat me up so the main guy doing the talking was the other guy, and I told him we could shake it down right there. CO noticed the tension and had her hands on her radio and spray, so the fade was put off to later...

Never happened, when we got back on rec the older cat basically said he respected me for not cowering when he asked me to change the TV, and when the two dudes approached me. That introduction followed me for awhile and was the beginning building block of my reputation behind bars; the older dude was a Blood from Jersey who was down on a body in Fayetteville. He and a friend were the ones who brought Brims to Fayetteville so that was his local claim to fame, so to speak, and all the young Bloods and wannabe Bloods kinda marched under him at that time. There was also a power struggle at the time I entered between he and a Fayetteville-bred Blood...

So like I said that followed me for a minute, muhfukkas basically were like "Rock (me) didn't fold to _____"....

The characters in this particular memory:

 

[murksiderock]

•older Blood dude ended up doing 13 years for that body and got out in '19. Heard he was with the activities upstate but I was never on the yard with him. He had a rep from back home that followed him and when he was younger he had did like 4 years for drugs in Jerz. Came to Fayetteville with drugs, his boy was a DJ, and they brought 59 Brims (the NY/NJ version) to The Ville in like '05 or something...

That body he caught was a hit he had a young nikka do, and that young dude he had kill that guy is still locked up, scheduled to get out next February (so it'll be 17 years once he gets out)...

As time went on alot of the static surrounding Jersey boy was around a)nikkas his age or older feeling like he manipulated young dudes, b)questions about how authentic his B was, and c)him imposing his will on local dudes. This is what I always heard the beef around him upstate was about but last I heard about him, probably 7-8 years ago, was he was with the shyts with all the shyt cats threw at him...

He the only one of these guys I never saw on the streets in this memory...

•the Blood his age who he was locked in that power struggle with is a Fayetteville native and honestly a legend down there. He was in there on a body at the time, took it to trial and got acquitted after sitting 2½ years for it while his potna snitched on him and did like 6...

This guy was in and outta prison for most of his life, he did time after beating that body for drugs but never more than a year or two at a time. 6 years ago he got a cocaine trafficking case in Columbia SC and they gave him 25 years...

Saw him several times over the years because I was in and outta Fayetteville in the same area he was from. Lotta mixed opinions on him, some nikkas loved him and some didn't but everyone respected his gangsta. We didn't rotate in the same circle so it was hi and bye when I saw him, never kicked it on any real level. He's a street legend in that city though...

•got many stories about my patna who caught the kidnapping bid I mentioned earlier upthread. As I said he was unloading pounds of weed in Virginia for me years later but we were real friends for a minute, lotta stories and memories with fam...

 

[murksiderock]

•the other youngster who cornered me that day was originally from Baltimore but I believe his mom and her family was from Fayetteville so thats how he ended up here. Real popular young dude on the streets, gunrunner at a young age, abd at the time I met him he was beginning a 3½ year ride for a robbery. He's another example of a guy whose street rep was one thing but jail/prison rep wasn't...

Turned into a stick up kid and 6 months after finishing that robbery bid him and another nikka hit what used to be known as these sweepstakes parlors, got caught and went right back up with 5½ on another robbery. This nikka was out 4 months in 2016 and damn near bodied a guy, sat in CCJ (county) for 16 months and beat the case. Got off that at the end of '17 and went and just got off a 2-year bud for firearm possession last year...

Not well liked out there but people know he's a shooter, and like I said he's always had many guns, he was 17 when I met him and that was the rep he had back then. Inside is a different story---->fam is 6'5/6'6 with some of the worst hands you've ever seen any tall nikka have in your life...

During his first bid he was known as scary, scared of police, scared to fight, scared of everything, never heard him get in many fights but never heard him winning one either, I woulda washed this nikka back in '06 lmao. Dude was one of them nikkas who needed guns next to him to feel safe, without him he either tried to talk his way outta everything or bytched up...

His second bid I heard he was getting whupped upstate cause he was always "broke" and in debt; he was always a gambler since he was young. And apparently that shyt got him in trouble, didn't surprise me. And last I heard about him, when he was at county on that attempt in 2016-17, nikkas had him under pressure in there on some gang shyt, dudes were not feeling his get down. Got that from multiple cats too, dudes were like "____ a big ass bytch"...

We were home from prison at the same time when my bid was done, got some stories bout him. We didn't hang out often but we chilled two or three times, this nikka stole money from me back in Summer 2010 right before he caught that other robbery case lol. He was a stick-up kid and always had a gun connect, but dude never tried me that way, generally speaking when it came to gunplay we were similar type dudes and as I've told guys on here before, if a shooter tries another nikka they know gonna blow you generally go all in on that because there's low margin for error with dudes you know really play with them torches like that...

He just wasn't a jail/prison built nikka even though he's done alot of time, but he was definitely about those guns on the streets. Got a few stories about him...

 

[murksiderock]

On the streets alot of places in NC have big reputations but the yards shake out which city has the most notable heads...

I'll start with Fayetteville since that's where I spent the most time, never the most heads on any max but Fayetteville dudes have some of the most hitters anywhere. There's definitely a rep upstate, lotta dudes that are really for that action behind them walls are from Fayetteville...

Charlotte and Raleigh have the most heads upstate unsurprisingly. Really on any big yard you're gonna have more heads from Clt, Rgh, and Greensboro period, those are the three biggest cities so it's a given. A whole lot of shot callers are from Raleigh, that city produces a ton of bosses in that environment. Lotta Raleigh dudes control different money flow upstate too...

Clt and Gso have a lot of shot callers too, just not as many, but probably more gunners and line pushers. They gone be deep regardless...

Durham has a heavy street rep but upstate alot of them dudes are chill and they love gambling. They be having They hands on money flow too bit They not quite as violent, as a collective, as one would think...

Greenville has surprisingly large numbers, lotta soldiers and leaders from out there. I ain't never heard or met anyone from Winston having pulling any major strings or putting in major pain ever. Wilmington dudes not like that for the most part...

Every other city has small representation because they smaller cities. I'll say most muhfukkas who come from Kinston, Rocky Mount, or Lumberton are very active, and you may only see 5 nikkas at a time from these places, so there aren't a lot of them. But when you see em it's like almost all of em are highly violent...

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

In the hole did they give you a bible?

I only did 5days and that bish sucked.

Did a month in solitary...but I was able to read.

You definitely learn alot about yourself in those situations.

I tried to show respect to any and all oldheads.

Sidenote my bytch ex sent a no contract order talm about how I threatened to rape her...and the sheriff office waited until I got sent to the pod to give it to me ...

Luckily the homies in my pod knew what it was and didn't do anything but the sheriff set that up hoping they would've fukked me up in there.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

My OG did some time in Florida and was like

"They some wild nikkas down there..."

"Like 5 of em jumped me..but I ask GOD if he just lemme catch one of em "

 

[murksiderock]

In the hole did they give you a bible?

I only did 5days and that bish sucked.

Did a month in solitary...but I was able to read.

You definitely learn alot about yourself in those situations.

I tried to show respect to any and all oldheads.

Sidenote my bytch ex sent a no contract order talm about how I threatened to rape her...and the sheriff office waited until I got sent to the pod to give it to me ...

Luckily the homies in my pod knew what it was and didn't do anything but the sheriff set that up hoping they would've fukked me up in there.

I went to the hole many times. Nah never a Bible, nothing given to me but you could get books to varying degree...

County:

•went to the hole September '06 for refusing to lockdown, think I was mad about light portions on my lunch tray or something, did 28 days;

•went to the hole November '06 for fighting, another 28 days;

•went to the hole in February '07 for insubordination, can't remember what I was mad about, like 29 days;

•went to the hole in April 2010 for fighting, made bond before I could finish the 28 days...

Prison:

•went to the hole May '07 for gang affiliation and being in an unauthorized location, caught 90 days but in July got that rumble with the COs that got me longtermed, came down January 23, 2008;

•went to the hole March 2, 2008 for fighting, 20-day charge;

•went back for 30 days in April '08 for gang affiliation;

•spent 48 hours in A-seg in May '08 with no charge, come to find out allegedly a hit was placed on me and a brother from Charlotte if we went to lunch that afternoon;

•another gang affiliation charge in June '08, 45 days;

•came down August 1 and was on that wild block, August 25 got that weapons charge they gave me 6 months for, but released me early on February 6, 2009...

 

[pawdalaw]

My OG did some time in Florida and was like

"They some wild nikkas down there..."

"Like 5 of em jumped me..but I ask GOD if he just lemme catch one of em "

Funny. When I did that little stint in juvi they was like you better pray to God! It was graffiti scrawled in that hard ass bench saying "turn to Jesus!" And I just remember hearing that door clank for the institutional time and saying "it's just me and you God, I know I put myself here" and not feeling any fear.

@murksiderock, yeah I'm from Detroit was in the Vill from '12-'18. One of my homies was a blood from Newark. Cool brother but he was a crash test dummy for me. So much sothat I had to tell him to fall back. Every situation don't call for violence. He ended up getting a year for aggravated dui and we lost contact.

Shared a cell (traffic warrant) with a high ranking blood for a few days. He was appealing a murder charge. They sentenced him to life saying he ordered a hit. Couple months later I read he lost his appeal. Good dude. Not imposing or anything, soft spoken, clean cut. But he was a shot caller in Raleigh. All the bloods in ccj would stop at our door and he was giving out orders and shyt. Sending violations to the streets. Fayetteville def about that action.