Official ECF Thread: Miami Heat vs Boston Celtics

[Rayzah]

It's amazing how the Skip Baylesses of the world manage to brain wash people. Bron is a better passer and creator for others than he is a shooter. The Celtics defense collapsed on him and instead of playing hero like simple minded trolls want him to he passed the ball. The problem with that play was that there was no spacing and no shooters out there so basically the Celtics didn't pay for quadruple teaming him like that. BTW ESPN gave him the name King James and he took a game winner a couple games ago. This aint' last years Finals. Contrary to popular belief Mike and Kobe and Bird and insert great clutch player here didn't take and make every game winning shot.

No they didint take and make every shot but they took more shots than they passed. The issue isnt the fact that he doesnt make them its the fact that he is "the best player in the nba" and he looks to defer to Udonis haslem of all people at the end of the game. and fukk ESPN i was saying this before they made a big deal about, as a matter of fact they only descuss because so many people talk about it all the time. And Mgaic was a far better passer but when his team needed a shot in the finals he had no problem taking and making a hook shot to win. Superstars cant be tenative or scared to shoot the tuough or bad shots at the end of the game, thats what seprates them from the pack

 

[TheNig]

Lmao@ all of these silly ass arguments.

1. He should have taken the shot
2. He was triple team. He did the right thing by passing it.
3. Spo gotta go.
No one hates to see the Heat in a close game more than me.

Same shyt, same toilet. Youll never hear me argue in defense of or to criticize the man again.

 

[SwagKingKong]

Here are some interesting and mind-blowing numbers posted by Drza on RealGm:

After Game 2 of the ECF, basketballvalue had the Celtics defense (defense alone, mind you) as 27.8 points better when Garnett has been on the court than when he was off this postseason.

With KG on the court, the Celtics gave up 90.6 points/100 possessions (tops in the postseason among big-minute players)

With KG off the court, the Celtics gave up 118.5 points/100 possessions (worst in postseason among big-minute players)

You read that right...with KG on the court, the Celtics played the BEST defense in this postseason. With KG off the court, the Celtics played the WORST defense in this postseason. And this was after Game 2. So, what has happened in the last two games?

In game 3 the Heat made 35% of their field goals with Garnett on the court, and 84% of their shots with him off the court.

Then, in game 4, the Heat made 35% of their field goals with Garnett on the court, and 75% with him off.

That shyt is crazy

 

[phillycavsfan]

No they didint take and make every shot but they took more shots than they passed. The issue isnt the fact that he doesnt make them its the fact that he is "the best player in the nba" and he looks to defer to Udonis haslem of all people at the end of the game. and fukk ESPN i was saying this before they made a big deal about, as a matter of fact they only descuss because so many people talk about it all the time. And Mgaic was a far better passer but when his team needed a shot in the finals he had no problem taking and making a hook shot to win. Superstars cant be tenative or scared to shoot the tuough or bad shots at the end of the game, thats what seprates them from the pack

You seem to think superstars are superstars simply because they're the ones who take the last shot. That's wrong. Guys like Bron, Wade, Durant, and Kobe are superstars because they got the most tools in the toolshed.

Taking off-the-dribble jumpers over 3 defenders (one of whom that's 6-11) isn't in Bron's toolshed. Hell, it's not in anybody's toolshed, including Jordan.

 

[FTBS]

No they didint take and make every shot but they took more shots than they passed. The issue isnt the fact that he doesnt make them its the fact that he is "the best player in the nba" and he looks to defer to Udonis haslem of all people at the end of the game. and fukk ESPN i was saying this before they made a big deal about, as a matter of fact they only descuss because so many people talk about it all the time. And Mgaic was a far better passer but when his team needed a shot in the finals he had no problem taking and making a hook shot to win. Superstars cant be tenative or scared to shoot the tuough or bad shots at the end of the game, thats what seprates them from the pack

How many of those shots were with the entire defense collapsed on them? It's not like it was one on one and he just passed out of the shyt. Passing to someone doesn't equal defering it means that they have a better shot than you do in that moment. We've seen all of the players you mentioned do that shyt on more than one occasion. Before Magic made that hook shot how many other times did he set others up for the game winner? If Bron takes and makes a hook shot for the win tomorrow all is forgiven right? What separates superstars is supreme talent and consistency. There are plenty of guys who aren't superstars who wouldn't hesitate to shoot with the game on the line. Are Ben Gordon and Mario Chalmers and Derek Fisher separated from the pack as superstars? Being a superstar is all about what you do for 48 minutes night in and night out not one shot or pass for that matter.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

All we need is one Lebron choke-job/fright-ridden/disappearing act game special in this series and we're (bron/heat hater coalition) golden...party like last year

 

[Fckumeen]

Here are some interesting and mind-blowing numbers posted by Drza on RealGm:



That shyt is crazy

Damn!! That shyt is cray

 

[baltimore]

nikkas dont know the difference between bron playing hot potato last year in the finals in the 4th quarter and last night when the whole floor was collapsing on him with time left to pass to win the game..

you would think someone would see that if you are an elite scorer and passer and you dont use the fact that everyone will collapse on you to kick it to the open shooter its useless.. no one can shoot over 3-4 defenders or you could but its dumb cause that shyt dont usually work

 

[threattonature]

One thing Lebron does different than most of the other "closers" in the league is that he starts his attack a few seconds earlier. Part of the reason so many players in those situations settle for jumpers is because they run the clock down enough that they can take a few dribbles and pull up. Lebron seems to go for his earlier to draw in the doubles and set up the open look.

 

[Rayzah]

How many of those shots were with the entire defense collapsed on them? It's not like it was one on one and he just passed out of the shyt. Passing to someone doesn't equal defering it means that they have a better shot than you do in that moment. We've seen all of the players you mentioned do that shyt on more than one occasion. Before Magic made that hook shot how many other times did he set others up for the game winner? If Bron takes and makes a hook shot for the win tomorrow all is forgiven right? What separates superstars is supreme talent and consistency. There are plenty of guys who aren't superstars who wouldn't hesitate to shoot with the game on the line. Are Ben Gordon and Mario Chalmers and Derek Fisher separated from the pack as superstars? Being a superstar is all about what you do for 48 minutes night in and night out not one shot or pass for that matter.

It's not like it was one on one and he just passed out of the shyt.
He has done this before this season, shyt he did it in the all star game. face your boy is scared to shoot at the end unless he is WIDE open, which is ok for bosh or somebody but for the 3X MVP not he has to be able to make or atleast take those tough shots.

If Bron takes and makes a hook shot for the win tomorrow all is forgiven right?
yes but the problem we have been waiting for hime to do this for 7 years, and yea I know he made one against orlando a few years ago but thats about it.

There are plenty of guys who aren't superstars who wouldn't hesitate to shoot with the game on the line. Are Ben Gordon and Mario Chalmers and Derek Fisher separated from the pack as superstars? Being a superstar is all about what you do for 48 minutes night in and night out not one shot or pass for that matter.

What im saying is unlike Ben gordon or chalmers, Bron is considered the best so he has higher standards to live up to, You cant be dominant and unstoppable for 47 minutes then not finish what you started.

 

[Rayzah]

You seem to think superstars are superstars simply because they're the ones who take the last shot. That's wrong. Guys like Bron, Wade, Durant, and Kobe are superstars because they got the most tools in the toolshed.

Taking off-the-dribble jumpers over 3 defenders (one of whom that's 6-11) isn't in Bron's toolshed. Hell, it's not in anybody's toolshed, including Jordan.

No thats not what I think, Im saying unlike other superstars, wade, kobe or durant, he is the only one looking to pass first with the game on the line. To be the best player in the league you have to be dominant for 48 minutes and not 47 then foul out in OT

 

[phillycavsfan]

No thats not what I think, Im saying unlike other superstars, wade, kobe or durant, he is the only one looking to pass first with the game on the line. To be the best player in the league you have to be dominant for 48 minutes and not 47 then foul out in OT

He's not looking to pass first; he's looking for the best shot. Which is what he does for most of the game.

 

[Rayzah]

He's not looking to pass first; he's looking for the best shot. Which is what he does for most of the game.

OK, he needs to realize the best thing for the team is him taking that shot, because he has a better shot of one getting open and two making it. but until then they will continue to lose close games.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

OK, he needs to realize the best thing for the team is him taking that shot, because he has a better shot of one getting open and two making it. but until then they will continue to lose close games.

Funny..

When Jordan and Kobe were in their heyday all I heard was that they need to trust their teammates more. Until they trust their teammates they won't take the next step..

 

[fact]

Funny..

When Jordan and Kobe were in their heyday all I heard was that they need to trust their teammates more. Until they trust their teammates they won't take the next step..

The thing is, Bron doesn't trust his teamates, he yells at them and gives them dirty looks when they screw up........but then is unwilling to take charge