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[O.Red]

SF6 is probably the most balanced SF game we've ever had.


It's also mad fun, but infuriating.

It's definitely not more balanced than 5. Pre Luke SF5 is probably the most balanced fighting game ever made. And even then Luke is not a free win, he's just hyper tuned to the point of superiority

BUT 6's balance has steadily improved in the last two years. Also I'll give 6 credit for releasing balanced DLC, which just about no one does these days

 

[IIVI]

Love him or hate him Mena is certified now, he could retire tomorrow and he'd go down as a GOAT. Personally I think he's in the exclusive Wong Daigo tier now. People like Sonicfox and GO1 are a tier or two below them imo.

Yeah, I basically agree. If you want to get strict based on where you’d place these people on an all-time list then Mena is tier 1 with Justin Wong, Daigo and them.

What makes Justin and Daigo special is they were basically a big part why e-sports are as big as they are. Evo 37 is nearly pop culture at this point. League of Legends, Call of Duty, Counterstrike, etc. players know what that is. They’re unique in that regard and got a lot of gamers the bag.

Them as pure “legends” and dominance though Mena belongs to that small group. It’s like Hall of Fame vs Hall of Very Good. Mena is clearly the former and a lot of his rivals and people they compare him to are more the latter. There simply aren’t that many JWong’s, Daigo’s, Mena’s out there who basically own the big events and leave zero questions.

 

[O.Red]

I get that nikkas are always gonna elevate Daigo but the problem is y'all end up ignoring nikkas that are better than him

If we're going from SF4 to now Tokido and Momochi have been far more consistent. Daigo got washed for half of SF5 and when he did get good at the game the best he got was 9th at Evo and a CPT win

And if we're talking GOAT, especially with multi games it's getting harder and harder to ignore Go1. He one of them ones Kazunoko also an easy GOAT and nikkas don't even talk about him no more

Daigo getting so much more love than nikkas that are better than him shows how GOAT moment 37 was for marketing

 

[TripleAgent]

I get that nikkas are always gonna elevate Daigo but the problem is y'all end up ignoring nikkas that are better than him

If we're going from SF4 to now Tokido and Momochi have been far more consistent. Daigo got washed for half of SF5 and when he did get good at the game the best he got was 9th at Evo and a CPT win

And if we're talking GOAT, especially with multi games it's getting harder and harder to ignore Go1. He one of them ones Kazunoko also an easy GOAT and nikkas don't even talk about him no more

Daigo getting so much more love than nikkas that are better than him shows how GOAT moment 37 was for marketing

True.

Mena is GOAT away from the main 2 regions (Japan and USA). Him being from a non-hotbed is a testament to his talent. He put his country on the map, and the scene is taken (mostly) seriously now.

 

[Don Homer]

I get that nikkas are always gonna elevate Daigo but the problem is y'all end up ignoring nikkas that are better than him

If we're going from SF4 to now Tokido and Momochi have been far more consistent. Daigo got washed for half of SF5 and when he did get good at the game the best he got was 9th at Evo and a CPT win

And if we're talking GOAT, especially with multi games it's getting harder and harder to ignore Go1. He one of them ones Kazunoko also an easy GOAT and nikkas don't even talk about him no more

Daigo getting so much more love than nikkas that are better than him shows how GOAT moment 37 was for marketing

nah, Daigo is king. Still the only person to go B2B in EVO at Street fighter in the last 15 years. He dominated the SF4 era. He's stamped

 

[O.Red]

nah, Daigo is king. Still the only person to go B2B in EVO at Street fighter in the last 15 years. He dominated the SF4 era. He's stamped

I didn't say he wasn't stamped I'm saying nikkas be doing too much when they talk about him

He was doing great in SF4 but saying he dominated is very arguable and likely a stretch. Even still I mentioned SF4-6 to illustrate the scope of more consistent JP players because nikkas talk about Daigo like he's dominated all 3

Again giving Daigo his flowers is cool, but nikkas completely gloss over nikkas that were right up there with him, if not more consistent

 

[T-K-G]

I didn't say he wasn't stamped I'm saying nikkas be doing too much when they talk about him

He was doing great in SF4 but saying he dominated is very arguable and likely a stretch. Even still I mentioned SF4-6 to illustrate the scope of more consistent JP players because nikkas talk about Daigo like he's dominated all 3

Doesn't have a CC win either

 

[pointproven214]

nah, Daigo is king. Still the only person to go B2B in EVO at Street fighter in the last 15 years. He dominated the SF4 era. He's stamped

he was great at a game that took skill to play

 

[O.Red]

he was great at a game that took skill to play

Here we go with the bullshyt

 

[360Waves]

he was great at a game that took skill to play

This argument is just a straight up logical fallacy.

You think SF4 takes more skill than 6 right? That’s not an uncommon opinion. SF6 is a highly volatile game that’s based on constant guessing so there’s a lot of variance in outcomes between 2 equally skilled players. It also has a lot of easy access universal mechanics that are hard to deal with even at the highest ELOs (raw drive rush, DI.) In theory, you could argue the game has a reduced skill gap.

But I’d argue that’s what actually makes what Mena is doing so special. Dude is playing the fighting game equivalent of a slot machine and consistently winning tournaments. That kinda stability in the most random and volatile game ever is remarkable and is a testament to the fact that his skill and IQ are otherworldly.

That being said, matchups matter too. As godlike as Kakeru is Mena just seems to own him mentally and he’s smoked him in every tournament they’ve ever played.

Since the conclusion of season 1 Mena only has 2 true demons—Fuudo and Punk. Fuudo because Mena struggles against DJ (majority of his tournament losses are to him) and Fuudo has the best one. Punk because stylistically he just isn’t a good matchup for Mena regardless of what characters are picked. I believe Punk has won 3 of their last 4 big matchups. But unfortunately both their runs ended early.

 

[O.Red]

 

[pointproven214]

Here we go with the bullshyt

lmao smh

 

[Don Homer]

I didn't say he wasn't stamped I'm saying nikkas be doing too much when they talk about him

He was doing great in SF4 but saying he dominated is very arguable and likely a stretch. Even still I mentioned SF4-6 to illustrate the scope of more consistent JP players because nikkas talk about Daigo like he's dominated all 3

Again giving Daigo his flowers is cool, but nikkas completely gloss over nikkas that were right up there with him, if not more consistent

He very much dominated SF4

Dominated topanga - multiple first place finishes
Made top 8 every year but 14 and 15, and he finished 9th in 2015
2nd place at SF25th
Cooked infiltration and xian in FT10’s, going 20-2 between those 2 sets
Stunfest 2015 champ, beating momochi in an all-time set
NCR 15 champ
2nd in 2015 capcom cup

Off the top that’s what I can think of. He’s by far the most dominant SF4 player across its entire run

He definitely didn’t dominate sf5. But he did make top 8 at evo in 2022 I believe

 

[T-K-G]

10 years same reaction

 

[IIVI]

He very much dominated SF4

Dominated topanga - multiple first place finishes
Made top 8 every year but 14 and 15, and he finished 9th in 2015
2nd place at SF25th
Cooked infiltration and xian in FT10’s, going 20-2 between those 2 sets
Stunfest 2015 champ, beating momochi in an all-time set
NCR 15 champ
2nd in 2015 capcom cup

Off the top that’s what I can think of. He’s by far the most dominant SF4 player across its entire run

He definitely didn’t dominate sf5. But he did make top 8 at evo in 2022 I believe

Additionally x2 Guilty Gear XX Evo wins that he dominated 8-2 and 7-1 overall. When you consider the required execution in older games was higher and he was rated #1 for years where people knew him for the psychic DP’s during that time. The overall impact is why most people will consider him in the highest tiers. Then he comes on and smacks everyone the first 1.5 years of SF4 before the expansion.