OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[intruder]

I'll be attending a watch party of a Male friend.

So you're saying you're taken. I'll wait my turn

 

[The Fire]

When Sansa and Jon reunited at Castle Black she asked him where he was going. He said South to be warm and he was going to take her with him. She pleaded with him to go try to defeat Ramsay in order to get Rickon back. She didn’t make it about Winterfell she made it about family and Rickon. The Battle Of The b*stards from Jon’s perspective was to save Rickon. Sansa knew from the very beginning that Rickon was a goner but didn’t tell Jon that until the NIGHT BEFORE THE BATTLE. She put Jon’s life in danger on the foundation of a lie. Because she wanted revenge but was too weak of mind and body to get it herself. So she used Jon as her rook and Rickon as her pawn

Sansa has turned on every single family member, its laughable that Arya would hold her in any type of high esteem on the basis of family values. Thats just bad writing on the show’s part and should have never been included.

Thank you
I can’t believe she’s Ned stark’s daughter she’s such a bytch, I tried hard to like her too

 

[Torrential]

nikkas acting like tyrion is this infallible genius. the mfer loved a whore and it almost got him killed @obarth

 

[intruder]

I'm pretty sure Arya slashed that dudes throat last season. Or do you mean his death wasn't real?

Spoiler: MAJOR POTENTIAL SPOILER

Littlefinger father is from Braavos...

Go back and watch his reaction to every time the faceless men were mention last season...He clearly knows a lot about them...



Take note of the woman at the stable, what he hands her and what she says to him...

He hands her a coin...

She says: It's time, your time is up...

I found this conversation between littlefinger and Sansa and when sensa mention the faceless men from Braavo's and I did not see ittlefinger react in any way. He just responded that he "had heard rumors about them and that they were worshippers of the god of death". And he also said that he did "not trust Godly men". See the 1:30 mark in this vid

Do you have an example of what you claimed about little finger and braavos?

 

[The axe murderer]

nikkas acting like tyrion is this infallible genius. the mfer loved a whore and it almost got him killed @obarth

and honestly if she hadn't snitched she'd probably had gotten killed. He pretty much put her in that position when she warned him not to be in that town

 

[Reece]

If they thought like Sansa they woulda been professional rape victims fukk you mean?!

Y’all too far gone in Sansa hate for reason If Jon tricked Ramsey like that y’all be creaming but because it was Sansa somehow its an issue. You can live another day after rape. Can’t live with no head breh.

 

[Kenny West]

nikkas acting like tyrion is this infallible genius. the mfer loved a whore and it almost got him killed @obarth

Too many youtube analysis videos and I know exactly which ones.

Tyrion has spent much of the show rotating between being a pawn of Tywin, Littlefinger and Varys. To the aimless role he has now

 

[Reece]

All Sansa did was run and call for help after she got pissed after seeing Ramsey again the day before the battle. Little Finger offered to bring the Vale to help retake Winterfell at that meeting in Moles town and she was still in her feelings and threatened to kill him instead. Jon kept saying they needed more men and she still refused to use the Vale's army.



When Jon got tired of begging smaller houses for help he said fukk it lets go with the army we have she was still trying to round up northern houses that barely had soldiers at all . It wasn't til she got into her feelings at the pre battle meeting that she swallowed her pride a d ran and got Little finger to provide the help she had previously turned down. See the vid velow around the 3:40 mark shen she herself says they dont have enough men and still never mentions the Vale army that had been offered to her that Jon never knew about.



I personally hold her responsible for losing so many wildlings and the last giant among them. That is all her fault. Had she let it be known that the Vale army was available to help Jon wouldnt have lost half his forces at the battle of the b*stards. If i was Thormund and i find that out i'd be pissed.
So all the sudden she's a boss talking about "we have Winterfell because of me"? (See 0:45 mark below)


Doggy, LittleFinger is the real boss here. He made her what she is now. He just messed up and allowed his greed and love for her lead him into underestimating her, his own pupil, to his death. Plus he misjudged the bond between Arya and Sansa and admit it YOU DID TOO.
I'm still pissed at that red-headed little bratt and still wish she was dead in a way . If it wasnt for her we'd still have over 2000 wildlings (fighting men) and a giand instead of the few we have now. Arya and her mom were the true Gs among the women in Winterfell.

The show runners put all of this in the show in Season 6 for a reason breh. If they wanted Jon to win the Battle of the b*stards all on his own, they would've. Instead they showed pretty plainly and clearly that Jon would've lost. But anyway. Try to see it from Sansa's point of view for five seconds.

Littlefinger didn't control anything in the Vale. The Vale lords hated him or did you not get that when he got his throat slit. Here is a clip of him begging them to save him since you clearly forgot about all that



Sweetrobin controlled the Vale. Littlefinger manipulated Sweetrobin. And Sansa manipulated Littlefinger......THEREFORE???? Plus Sweetrobin would've did anything for Sansa anyway since she was his cousin. Here is that scene again for reference since yall forgot.



The Northern Lords were not taking Sansa's opinion into consideration even though she spent the most time with Ramsey. She mentioned that multiple times. She wasn't being consulted with and they were acting like she was intruding when she came around. And it probably bothered her that everyone went automatically to Jon as the leader, as if she wasn't important enough because she was a girl.




Plus, she was hearing their gameplan. It was weak. Jon wasn't taking Ramsey serious. Again, the show runners put that in there for a reason ("I fought the Whitewalkers, I fought Thenns, I been behind the wall yada yada yada, I'm not scared of Ramsey"). And what happened....Ramsey did EXACTLY what Sansa said he was going to do. He baited Jon until he lost his cool. Jon could've won that battle. 2,000 men vs. 6,000 men isn't impossible odds. There were so many wars throughout real history where people with worse odds won. But he rushed into battle recklessly and before long Ramsey had his army flanked and surrounded.



Sansa said she wasn't going back to Ramsey alive. Sansa didn't trust that Jon and the Northern lords would beat Ramsey based on the points said above. Sansa knew that Ramsey was smarter than all of them. And as much as I love him, Jon did not disprove that on the battlefield. Letting your army get surrounded is war 101 on what NOT to do breh So Sansa kept the Vale in her pocket and like she thought he would, Ramsey walked right into the trap. How yall twist that into Sansa NOT beating Ramsey at his own game is a mystery to me. What other female character not named Dany was strategizing secret war plans? Let us know.



And to your last point....soldiers were going to die regardless. Had Sansa told Jon about the Vale there's the very real possibility that Jon would've still lost the war with extra men because Ramsey would've still baited him on the battlefield. This would've caused countless casualties to the Vale. Sansa's method kept the entire Vale army intact. Another alternative is Ramsey might not have met them on open field. He might have went back to Winterfell and made it a siege. Wun Wun would have still died charging through the gate. The only difference is instead of sieging the castle against a handful of soldiers left to defend Ramsey, Ramsey would have had 6,000 men in there. And knowing how sick Ramsey was in the head, he would have done something to trap them. Maybe Ramsey would've told his men to focus majority of their arrows on Jon. There's no guarantee they would've won that way either. It worked out the way it worked out because the showrunners wanted it that way and Ramsey had to be caught off guard to be beaten.

 

[South Paw]

Sansa is always getting saved and bailed out. Saved by Littlefinger and the Vale, saved by Theon, now even though she blind to it gonna be saved by the plan of Aegon bringing Dany and her dragons up north.

 

[Maxine Shaw]

The simple truth is that Sansa KNOWS HER PLACE and stays in it. She works from within. Some nikkas prefer her to be rape fodder. Too bad. She's the lady of Winterfell. Get over it already.

 

[obarth]

nikkas acting like tyrion is this infallible genius. the mfer loved a whore and it almost got him killed @obarth

Tyrion's W-L record since joining #Targset looks like LeBron in the East vs. LeBron in the West(eros)(sorry to bring that up, breh). nikka tried to compromise with the slave masters despite Grey Worm and Missandei warning against it, his battle plans resulted in the loss of Dorne and Highgarden, he proposed the wight hunt beyond the wall, and he trusts that Cersei will keep her word about this ceasefire. They're sorely missing Barristan Selmy when it comes to large-scale warfare.

 

[Ribbs]

Y'all still going back and forth on S6 and Rickon?

 

[jdubnyce]

Y'all still going back and forth on S6 and Rickon?

@Nature Boy Ric Flair

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

Sansa got Littlefinger, Sweetrobin, the Vale lords, Jon, and the Northern lords to do exactly what she wanted them to do and baited Ramsey into doing exactly what she knew he would do but somehow she’s not a player I love Jon like everyone else and I was mad salty with Sansa last year but after having time to let it digest she bossed up on them. If Ned or Robb had thought like her, they’d still be alive.

You mean Sansa did what littlefinger wanted her to do.

She got used again and again and again

 

[Robbie3000]

Tyrion's W-L record since joining #Targset looks like LeBron in the East vs. LeBron in the West(eros)(sorry to bring that up, breh). nikka tried to compromise with the slave masters despite Grey Worm and Missandei warning against it, his battle plans resulted in the loss of Dorne and Highgarden, he proposed the wight hunt beyond the wall, and he trusts that Cersei will keep her word about this ceasefire. They're sorely missing Barristan Selmy when it comes to large-scale warfare.

Tyrion is not a war time consigliere. The Wight hunt was one of his dumbest plans.