OFFICIAL Game of Holmes Season 8 Thread - A Dream of Flat Tops 4/14/19

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

How would Ramsey know that the vale was coming if Sansa told Jon?

It could have played out similar to how the battle happened, wait till Ramsey commits all his men then spring the trap. They wouldn’t have to have the vale on the battlefield beforehand.

What Sansa did was some snake in the grass shyt almost seemed like she wanted Jon to die so she could be warden in the north.

What do you mean by this? Does Jon rush in to save Rickon, or not?

Cuz if he does, then it plays out the same as it did on screen, so wth are you complaining about?

Furthermore, there's nothing to suggest that Jon has the tactical mind to hold Vale back as a secret weapon and there's plenty to suggest he'd ignore Sansa's advice to do so.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

The fact is that Sansa based her entire recruitment of Jon on a LIE. Jon went to Winterfell NOT for winterfell but to SAVE RICKON. It was Jon’s one and only reason for battling Ramsay. SANSA put it in Jon’s head that Rickon, as the last known surviving male stark and their brother, that needed saving. Jon was fully prepared to leave the warrior lifestyle behind and go south. SANSA KNEW from the beginning that Rickon was a goner. She didn’t council Jon on not falling for traps, she PUSHED him into going into battle. And then, on the EVE of the battle she pushed for, she wanna get aggy We’ll never get Rickon back Don’t fall for traps get the fukk outta here


Jon did EXACTLY what he pledged to do, try to save Rickon. He didn’t go to get Winterfell back or become King In The North. Sansa LIED to him every step of the way, and Arya got the nerve to say that Sansa is looking out for family? Jon is the one whose been looking out for family. He tried to save Rickon while Sansa was basically plotting to have Jon slaughtered on the battle field. He named Sansa, even with her treachery, Lady Of Winterfell, while he potentially risked his life to go seek out Dany to get support and dragonglass. Jon been looking out for family and the entire fukking North since his resurrection, even against his own wishes. And this ungrateful bytch is mad cause he brought back the army they needed, the dragonglass they needed, and two grown dragons, because he got some p*ssy? fukk outta here

It simply ASTOUNDS me how Sansa has any supporters or stans on this board. She is literally the most treacherous character in the show not named Little Finger. She turned on her father, she turned on her brother Jon, she turned on Arya once for Joffrey and would have again before Bran hipped her to game. She has literally no W’s that are not tied to her piggy backpacking off the greatness of another character.

So much wrong with this post, but it's like talking to brick walls at this point when it comes to Sansa. Y'all will never give her her due ignoring things that happen on screen and commentary from other prominent characters who have noticed her prowess grow. I'm done.

 

[Reece]

The fact is that Sansa based her entire recruitment of Jon on a LIE. Jon went to Winterfell NOT for winterfell but to SAVE RICKON. It was Jon’s one and only reason for battling Ramsay. SANSA put it in Jon’s head that Rickon, as the last known surviving male stark and their brother, that needed saving. Jon was fully prepared to leave the warrior lifestyle behind and go south. SANSA KNEW from the beginning that Rickon was a goner. She didn’t council Jon on not falling for traps, she PUSHED him into going into battle. And then, on the EVE of the battle she pushed for, she wanna get aggy We’ll never get Rickon back Don’t fall for traps get the fukk outta here


Jon did EXACTLY what he pledged to do, try to save Rickon. He didn’t go to get Winterfell back or become King In The North. Sansa LIED to him every step of the way, and Arya got the nerve to say that Sansa is looking out for family? Jon is the one whose been looking out for family. He tried to save Rickon while Sansa was basically plotting to have Jon slaughtered on the battle field. He named Sansa, even with her treachery, Lady Of Winterfell, while he potentially risked his life to go seek out Dany to get support and dragonglass. Jon been looking out for family and the entire fukking North since his resurrection, even against his own wishes. And this ungrateful bytch is mad cause he brought back the army they needed, the dragonglass they needed, and two grown dragons, because he got some p*ssy? fukk outta here

It simply ASTOUNDS me how Sansa has any supporters or stans on this board. She is literally the most treacherous character in the show not named Little Finger. She turned on her father, she turned on her brother Jon, she turned on Arya once for Joffrey and would have again before Bran hipped her to game. She has literally no W’s that are not tied to her piggy backpacking off the greatness of another character.

I feel you. At times I think Sansa is a bytch too. But think about it from Sansa’s point of view. She was raped every night by Ramsey. She was tortured by Joffrey and Cersei. She almost got raped a few times in Kings Landing. And her crazy ass aunt wanted to kill her. She saw her dad get his head chopped off. She heard all the gory details about what happened to her brother and her mother from Joffrey sick ass and Joffrey sick ass made her look at her dad’s and Septa Mordanes rotting heads. That will fukk someone up in the head. Just the rape alone.

She’s rightfully traumatized by that. Scared she’ll end up back in that sort of hell. Jon is smart but so was Robb and Ned. What should Sansa do? If she puts all her chips on Jon, and Jon loses, she’s a defenseless girl and it’s back to being raped every night by Ramsey. She was stuck between telling Jon about the Vale army and them misusing the extra men and losing and if they lost that’s it forever...she goes back to Ramsey for life vs. risking the Northern army but ensuring Ramsey would be caught off guard when she sprung the Knights of the Vale on him, knowing he wouldn’t be expecting it. She made her decision and I ain’t mad (I was last year but I get it now). Shorty was NOT trying to go back to being homie’s sex slave or somehow ending up back in Cersei’s hands and I don’t fault her. She gets on my nerves a bit when she acts pompous but if I was a girl in that world I’d be thinking about myself too because she’d be the one living the next 30 years in torture with that dude while Jon got a quick death.

 

[Take It In Blood]

 

[Reece]

Flashing back to that scene....Lady Olenna would be proud seeing shorty finally boss up. At 2:00, Sansa was like yea doggie, the Starks pay their debts too

Ramsey realizing his bytch ass got played. Priceless

 

[CHICAGO]

Nah you're being dense, acting like Jon bent the knee to spare them of Dany's wrath. Who knows what happens after the great war. Dany may not even survive. Her dragons may not have even survived. And if they did and she did threaten to rain fire, Jon could have bent the knee like Torren Stark did centuries ago AFTER the war. He cleary bent it out of love just as Sansa said.

You've been all over the place trying to explain it way. First you tried to claim he did as some "honorable" act to make up for her losing her dragon to save his life, now you're claiming he did it to spare the lives of northerners after the great war

OK I GUESS YOURE NOT TROLLING
YOU REALLY ARE SLOW.

I NEVER SAID NOR IMPLIED THAT WAS WHY JON BENT THE KNEE.

I SAID ITS A GOOD THING HE DID
BECAUSE THESE DUMB fukkS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BURNED TOO.



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[EBK String]

on some real shyt Jon Snow has no swag, how is he going to sit on the iron throne? Rob Stark was a leader.

 

[Tasha And]

We, the viewers held it on that pedestal because it was the first time it happened.

I 100% agree that it should've been used on a better/more pivotal moment, but from Daenys stand point she's not under the impression that only certain people can ride them. She's never mentioned that at all so there's nothing to shake her about it.

The History and Lore videos are canon to the TV Show. And during the Dance of Dragons, the civil war which saw the Targs lose the majority of their dragons, they searched for Targ b*stards with Valyrian blood that could ride the dragons and fight in the war. The vast majority of them died trying to ride.


10:18

This establishes that the Targs themselves believed that only people with their blood could become dragon riders. Dany would absolutely be privy to this story. It's the most infamous story to the history of her people, arguably more important than Aegon's Conquest since this led to the destructive loss of their dragons, and thus the thing that made them special. Dany had formal history lessons growing up, and she had a brother who told her about the glory of their house. That's all he ever talked about and Dany absolutely soaked it in. They literally believed that Targs had dragonblood running through their veins, as Viserys expressed in this season 1 scene where he talks about the history of his people and recites the names of all of the dragons from memory like nothing.



Add to this that the showrunners themselves say "Only Targarians can ride dragons and that should be a sign for Jon" which points to how it's common knowledge throughout all of Westeros that only Targs (or Valyrian blood folks related to Targs) can ride dragons.



They are writing the story with that as a fact in their world. It's inconceivable that Dany somehow doesn't believe that only Targs ride dragons.

This should be more than enough evidence to illustrate that Dany should be shook to her core that Jon is able to ride a dragon. And why it was such a baffling scene for her to suggest he even try it on some cutie pie shyt.

 

[Take It In Blood]

on some real shyt Jon Snow has no swag, how is he going to sit on the iron throne? Rob Stark was a leader.

Jon snow is a self less man of the ppl, they don't need no arrogant douchebags running things

 

[itsyoung!!]

Flashing back to that scene....Lady Olenna would be proud seeing shorty finally boss up. At 2:00, Sansa was like yea doggie, the Starks pay their debts too

Ramsey realizing his bytch ass got played. Priceless

This got me mad watching this

they coulda let 1 giant stay alive damnit
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edit: Arent elephants decedents of Mammoths? Giants rode Mammoths, in the North.. but Elephants Cersei talking about were across seas in the south




Still one the best scenes in GoT

 

[ReasonableMatic]

These cacs are gettting way too damn comfortable with animal til I saw a black dude there too ? WTF is he doing there?

Being their diversity checkoff, you should know better breh

 

[detroitwalt]

Calling a nikka by the name his parents gave him has never been weird. Marriage doesn't make him king in anything but title alone. The Targaryen's had female rulers before. Marriage simply makes Aegon Dany's husband. She would still be the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms.

Breh you line stepping with that Aegon stuff. Ernie Terrell kept calling Ali Cassius and we know how that turned out

 

[Mr Clean]

the amount of hungry kids they could have fed with that wack ass flying scene with jon and danaerys

 

[Ineedmoney504]

Sansa is now smarter, and still learning, but she's not a strategist. But she is a leader and is trying to show the importance of alliances, especially in the North. That's what she's learned from the Lannisters, Boltons, Lady Olena, her parents...that's what she's trying to get through to Jon. He doesn't care about any of that, and he really gets by on his honor - the same thing that got Ned killed. Ironically, it's also the same thing that Tyrion is trying to get through to Dany. Everything she says is really about survival of the North, because once again...no one gives AF about the White Walkers. I think what Arya & Sansa are trying to get through to Jon is that they're all they've got. Jon was never alone like them.

Jon been alone his whole childhood and whole life afterwards.

 

[HollywoodP]

Decent opening episode - love how the Internet always thinks GoT has fallen off after the first episode of a season... lots of scene setting and reunions, but there's a hell of a fukking scene set.

Am I the only one thinking Cersei is the one using Euron right now? Yeah, he got to hit, but she's pregnant with Jaime's baby and nobody knows. She's just put out a hit on Tyrion and Jaime... if she wins out, she now gets to marry Euron and claim him as father of her baby, making it a legitimate heir (and a pure Lannister one as known only to her) rather than a fatherless b*stard born of incest. She's smarter than people are giving her credit for, I think.

Bran too... Bran isn't doing shyt randomly here. He didn't p*ssy out of telling Sam the truth about Dany and his family, he knew that for some reason Dany had to be the one to tell him (like Sam had to be the one to tell Jon). Whatever that does to Sam's head about Dany, that's the plan.... will he go the full Olly after trying to encourage Olly to get over the death of his family and team up with their killers?

I don't buy the Bronn heel turn. He'll agonise over it, but he accidentally made friends of Tyrion and Jaime... that'll trump his sell-sword nature. Plus Tyrion will find him a bigger chest of gold. Please.
Did Arya ask Gendry to build her something like a Dragonglass Scorpion? She going after the Ice Dragon?

Of course Cersei is using Euron. She's been using him since the beginning. Don't underestimate that nikka Euron. He knows what he's getting into (somewhat).

Dragon Glass propulsion device or something of that sort makes sense btw. I don't think it looked like a Scorpion though. Makes more sense to use it against the Knight King instead of the Ice Dragon, but I guess it depends on whichever is easier.