Official Snowfall Season 5 Thread

[The Devil's Advocate]

I love how everyone becomes an expert on organized crime in those crime show threads
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...075da8-306c-11e7-9dec-764dc781686f_story.html

From your article

FBI documents do indicate that bosses such as Paul Castellano and Vincent “the Chin” Gigante in New York and Angelo Bruno in Philadelphia banned members of their organizations from getting involved in narcotics. But that wasn’t based on a moral opposition to drug dealing. Rather, it stemmed from the realization by those bosses — who already had more money than they could count — of the tremendous legal jeopardy that came with narcotics as the federal government amped up the war on drugs in the early 1970s. And gangsters have testified that bosses such as Gotti, who banned narcotics, still knowingly accepted tribute payments from underworld drug dealers. The hypocritical message: Don’t deal drugs, but if you do, I get a piece of the action.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Power? Franklin doesn’t get to dictate terms of shyt. Teddy is in charge and he says when Franklin is done.

Yea but Teddy is Mr. Man on a mission. Why jeopardize the op now, to get back a guy you don’t need, who’s only going to war with you and your new partner.


More sloppy writing

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Because that wasn’t my point. FRANKLIN never thought they’d double cross him WITH THE CIA. Yes he knew about the Colombians but they weren’t a viable option as they were shady as fukk. Teddy, for all his bullshyt, is on point and does exactly what he says he would. And to those outside who didn’t see Teddy every week, they didn’t know shyt about what he’d do when they came to him, which is why they was iffy bout doing it. Teddy could have said hell nah and smoked them just for asking. They had no idea.

So again. He never expected both his family to approach his connect. And for his connect to be ok with it. And then neither of them being honest about it. And stealing his expansion plans.

If they came to him and said “look bro, we going to the Colombians” ahead of time, I don’t see him being as pissed. At all. In fact, I think when she brought it up, he said go do it then, like who gives a fukk. But to go after Teddy, nah he didn’t see that

you're making up stuff here and Frank was never gonna go to them, Louie was, she said it to Teddy, she could've went to them but she wanted to work with him. and why would teddy kille them for asking? they are the reason Teddy's product is moving, not frank, and he's worked with them closely for years at this point teddy aint no frank groupie, nothing about that situation would lead to him irrationally killing them for cutting frank out. he already told frank to cut his profit and stop asking him to lower the price


and frank's expansion plan was just that, a plan with no way to implement - louie again had the squad that would allow them to have someone to actually move the dope.


lastly, you're trippin, frank was feeling some type of way when louie and rome broke away from him last season while still using him as the plug, he would not have been ok with them leaving to the colombians - THEY ARE 90% OF HIS BUSINESS!! breh was coppin pleas trying to get them to come back in the fold earlier this season offering a 50-50 split

sorry breh, but you're literally making up your own storylines here

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Power? Franklin doesn’t get to dictate terms of shyt. Teddy is in charge and he says when Franklin is done.

Now Franklin bout to see how Leon felt when Franklin told him he can't get out the game.

 

[KillerB88]

Franklin flying a plane will always be stupid af

Because???

 

[KillerB88]

From your article

FBI documents do indicate that bosses such as Paul Castellano and Vincent “the Chin” Gigante in New York and Angelo Bruno in Philadelphia banned members of their organizations from getting involved in narcotics. But that wasn’t based on a moral opposition to drug dealing. Rather, it stemmed from the realization by those bosses — who already had more money than they could count — of the tremendous legal jeopardy that came with narcotics as the federal government amped up the war on drugs in the early 1970s. And gangsters have testified that bosses such as Gotti, who banned narcotics, still knowingly accepted tribute payments from underworld drug dealers. The hypocritical message: Don’t deal drugs, but if you do, I get a piece of the action.

Why are you clutching at straws desperately trying to be “right”? You’re argument was that trafficking drugs was the Mafias’s downfall. It wasn’t. They dealt in narcotics at every level throughout their rise and peak. They didn’t collapse because of infighting due to narcotics. That was the argument. And the aspect that gave certain families hesitancy was the heavy sentencing if caught. Not some street walking auntie or p*ssy whipped uncle going behind the family’s back to steal the operation.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

you're making up stuff here and Frank was never gonna go to them, Louie was, she said it to Teddy, she could've went to them but she wanted to work with him. and why would teddy kille them for asking? they are the reason Teddy's product is moving, not frank, and he's worked with them closely for years at this point teddy aint no frank groupie, nothing about that situation would lead to him irrationally killing them for cutting frank out. he already told frank to cut his profit and stop asking him to lower the price


and frank's expansion plan was just that, a plan with no way to implement - louie again had the squad that would allow them to have someone to actually move the dope.


lastly, you're trippin, frank was feeling some type of way when louie and rome broke away from him last season while still using him as the plug, he would not have been ok with them leaving to the colombians - THEY ARE 90% OF HIS BUSINESS!! breh was coppin pleas trying to get them to come back in the fold earlier this season offering a 50-50 split

sorry breh, but you're literally making up your own storylines here

What are you talking about. I never said Franklin was going to the Colombians. I said he knew about them (from her) and also knew they weren’t a viable option for them (again from her mouth) cause they were shady.

So for the third time. Franklin never imagined they’d go directly to Teddy. And Franklin also never believed that Teddy would work with them if they did. And they stole his last expansion. Even oso peeped how this was a problem. And Franklin himself is feeling what? Double crossed by people he’d never expect to do this.

What am I missing?


Yea you right about last season and frank flipping. So nah he wouldn’t be letting them go like that. But I do think he’d make a deal to keep them. This way they went, frank gonna want fl revenge

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

What are you talking about. I never said Franklin was going to the Colombians. I said he knew about them (from her) and also knew they weren’t a viable option for them (again from her mouth) cause they were shady.

So for the third time. Franklin never imagined they’d go directly to Teddy. And Franklin also never believed that Teddy would work with them if they did. And they stole his last expansion. Even oso peeped how this was a problem. And Franklin himself is feeling what? Double crossed by people he’d never expect to do this.

What am I missing?

how did he know they weren't an option for Louie? Louie never said anything about dealing with them until she went to Teddy and told him, I could've gone to the Colombians but instead I'm coming straight to you. The colombians very much were an option for louie if/when she decided to break away from Frank

And Frank would feel crossed either way, he already has been feeling that way - he felt that way when they decided to break off last season, he felt that way when they decided not to do the real estate business, and whether they went to the colmbians or teddy, they control 90% of his revenue - he was going to be livid with either outcome.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

how did he know they weren't an option for Louie? Louie never said anything about dealing with them until she went to Teddy and told him, I could've gone to the Colombians but instead I'm coming straight to you. The colombians very much were an option for louie if/when she decided to break away from Frank

And Frank would feel crossed either way, he already has been feeling that way - he felt that way when they decided to break off last season, he felt that way when they decided not to do the real estate business, and whether they went to the colmbians or teddy, they control 90% of his revenue - he was going to be livid with either outcome.

Franklin been knew about the Colombians. It’s why he cut the prices. He tells Grady in the first episode that if he doesn’t cut prices his family will go elsewhere. When Grady gets and Teddy ups the price, they have a meeting and Louie even says they should show Teddy “how the Colombians are running things”

So yes he knew about them and there was another time where she explained how she didn’t want to deal with them. That’s why they didn’t leave after it went back up.

Teddy was the smart; safe, reliable connect with government backing. Teddy was Franklins ace in the hole

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Franklin been knew about the Colombians. It’s why he cut the prices. He tells Grady in the first episode that if he doesn’t cut prices his family will go elsewhere. When Grady gets and Teddy ups the price, they have a meeting and Louie even says they should show Teddy “how the Colombians are running things”

So yes he knew about them and there was another time where she explained how she didn’t want to deal with them. That’s why they didn’t leave after it went back up.

Teddy was the smart; safe, reliable connect with government backing. Teddy was Franklins ace in the hole

teddy didn't up the price, he kept it flat (ie didn't honor the cut grady was going to give) he told franklin to take it out of his end - as in frank's markup is the reason the brick was high for louie.

teddy was never safe...the hell??? teddy was never frank's right hand man. teddy sits on the top and frank worked for him, in the process he got rich, but only because it benefited teddy

 

[RickyGQ]

Yea but Teddy is Mr. Man on a mission. Why jeopardize the op now, to get back a guy you don’t need, who’s only going to war with you and your new partner.


More sloppy writing

I don’t think so. shyts hella personal between him and Franklin at this point. His dad exposed him, Franklin almost got Teddy killed being reckless (in Teddy’s eyes) with the drive by. He’s sitting there buying buildings bringing undue attention to himself and to top it all off threatened to kill him in his most enlightened state of mind. You’re right, Teddy should let him go but Teddy isn’t some all knowing sentient being on the show. He makes dumb emotional decisions all the time and putting Franklin in his place/keeping him in line is completely in line with the character we’ve come to learn Teddy is in the past 2 seasons.

 

[RickyGQ]

Now Franklin bout to see how Leon felt when Franklin told him he can't get out the game.

Exactly.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

teddy didn't up the price, he kept it flat (ie didn't honor the cut grady was going to give) he told franklin to take it out of his end - as in frank's markup is the reason the brick was high for louie.

teddy was never safe...the hell??? teddy was never frank's right hand man. teddy sits on the top and frank worked for him, in the process he got rich, but only because it benefited teddy

I don’t know what you’re talking anymore. Or you don’t understand me.

Teddy was FRANKS safety net. Cause he THOUGHT Teddy would never sell, that gave him the best of all the connects exclusively. He also thought his family didn’t want to deal with Colombians, so he kept/upped the price. He told them it was going down and then told them it was going back. Whatever you want to call it, he didn’t fear them taking HIS connect


Other than that, im out till 10

 

[smoove157]

Franklin flying a plane will always be stupid af

why?

not only is that a dope ass hobby, especially if you are rich, but he was also in a position before where being able to fly a plane would have been incredibly helpful

 

[ghostwriterx]

I know it's going to happen but makes no fukking sense why... He just got 90% of the business.. He's dealing with Louie.. Give her the other 10%... Why make another enemy to get him to sell again for 10%?

It really doesn't. If he wanted Franklin to stay in the game why agree to sell to Louie directly?