Official Thread: El Paso and Dayton mass shootings; 8/9 2 mass shootings prevented
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Live in the most militaristic country in the world and fail to realize the ability to defend one's self isn't an integral part of being free gentrified brehs.
Post in the Iran war thread about their need to get nuclear weapons to defend themselves from the US, but but suggest black people shouldn't arm themselves for protection against white supremacist cornball brehs.
Post in the Iran war thread about their need to get nuclear weapons to defend themselves from the US, but but suggest black people shouldn't arm themselves for protection against white supremacist cornball brehs.
There's nothing to worry about. The same government that is gunning down black people is going to protect us. :MJhurt:
Be up at 4am posting dumb shyt on the Coli brehs :Bucketsumad:
Our reigning POTYs takeaway from this thread is that the victims didn't spend enough time talking to the shooter 
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IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
That's a lot of posts. Seems like you're mad. If you're not though, my bad. 
Why would you say something dumb like that? I'm the one who was advocating for physically stopping the shooter from the very beginning of this conversation.Our reigning POTYs takeaway from this thread is that the victims didn't spend enough time talking to the shooter
I'm sorry I upset you @Pressure. I'll eat that neg because clearly I haven't been "effectively communicating." From my perspective you just keep repeating the violent American mythology, because you've been steeped in it since birth like every other American. I can't expect to overcome 20 years of cultural brainwashing with one conversation.
But it is strange that you called me "soft" on that neg when this entire argument started because I was the one calling for bravery in stopping a shooting and you were the one who was advocating run and hide.
And no, I'm not removed from violence. I had three brehs shot down 50 yards from me just last summer. A gun wouldn't have done shyt for them, it happened in less than 5 seconds. I can list numerous acts of violence that I have been involved in and/or intervened in, but I don't think personal stories are gonna win the day here, which is why I keep going to logic and numbers.
You mock me talking about Jesus. Jesus was CLEARLY preaching non-violence. He is the one who told Peter to put away his sword, for all who live by the sword will die by the sword. He is the one who preached love your enemy, he's the one who kept telling the Jewish rebels that they were only going to bring their own destruction down on their head (as is EXACTLY what happened in the Jewish War, when all of Jerusalem was destroyed in horrific devastation in A.D. 70 and the temple was torn down forever).
But while the Jews were destroyed, the Christians kept growing (despite heavy persecution) until they took over the empire without having to wield a weapon.
That's Tertullian, the most famous theologian of the 2nd century. That's the philosophy that led to Christianity becoming the biggest religion in the empire, while the Jews who tried to fight instead were destroyed. I could quote numerous other Christians saying similar things before Constanine and company warped the faith. I could go on for pages about Jesus and non-violence. If you actually follow the God of Jesus Christ, then he's showing you a way out here.
Terrible example - the Incas were violent as hell, they just had inferior weapons. So they were annihilated.
Which is the exact thing you're advocating for - to fight back against superior firepower with violence and inferior weapons.
How well did that work out for the Incas?
Really, that's the only reason? So how did Pennsylvania get free from slavery? How did New York get free from slavery? When was Canada's war that ended slavery there? When did Britain end the slave trade?
There WERE other ways to end slavery. Lincoln wasn't even trying to end slavery with the Civil War, he was just trying to keep the Union together while refusing to further spread slavery, and if the South had surrendered before 1863 he never would have sent out the Emancipation Proclamation, just as before the war he told them that he would not interfere with any of their "internal affairs" so long as they stayed in the Union. Of course, the fallout from the Civil War was another 100 years of segregation, sharecropping, Jim Crow, and some of the most embedded racism to this day. Because you know what? Those White Union soldiers who went to war didn't actually care about Black folk like all that, and that's not what they were actually fighting for, and they didn't have the political will to make sure that freedom was actually reached, so by 1877 they sold out on Black folk and gave the White racist Southerners control over Black people again. Who then proceeded to fukk over Black people in every way they could and STILL will fukk over Black people while singing gripes about a war that happened 155 years ago. So you really think that was the ideal way to do it?
That doesn't mean that the folk, Black or White, who fought for freedom weren't heroes. They were still heroes, they were still doing what they believed to be right, and it's them over the fukking slaveowners 365 days a year. But you can look at the results and realize that with all the good intentions, and with supposedly "winning" the war (I struggle to see how anyone "wins" a conflict where 600,000 people die), we still ended up with some real shytty long-term results. Can you not admit that there may have been another way, a better way?
The Holocaust didn't start until two years into the war. That kind of horrific evil almost never happens outside of a war context. You know why? Because outside of that violent a context, regular people aren't willing to take such violent orders. Hitler had control of Germany for 7 years and hadn't even started to plan the Holocaust, even the Night of Broken Windows (which was mainly property damage) had received intense backlash from his own people with even military officers decrying it. Hitler's repeated plan had been to ship the Jews out, not to massacre them - the "Final Solution" only got proposed once they were well into war.The holocaust happened because Jewish people weren't non violent enough. And it only ended when they reached peak non violence.
In the end it was almost a worst-case scenario - 60+ million dead, 70% of Europe's Jews massacred, half of Europe given away to the Communists, immediate entry into the Cold War. By the end of the war even the USA was massacring already-defeated civilians by the tens of thousands without any strategic value. World War II was an abject failure - we "won" because we got power, but the actual results were the most horrific in history. How can you claim to have won, to have done the right thing, when your actions helped cause the worst era of destruction and death in world history?
And only 3 million European Jews were saved from death in the Holocaust. 90% of them were saved by nonviolent heroes like Andre Trocme or the Danish Resistance, only 200,000-300,000 Jews were saved by the advancing armies. You know why? Because the armies were concerned about power, not about stopping no Holocaust. There were 9 million Jews in Europe when the war started, less than 5% of them were saved by the Allied armes.
Another example of the abject failure of war.
They're being slaughtered because they aren't effectively communicating
You picked the WORST example there.
Do you have a clue what's going on in the Philippines right now? How the hell would guns help them? They have entire kill squads of cops with the support of the President carrying out executions in the middle of the night, you honestly think a gun is going to magically lead you to survive that? You aren't thinking.
But not just that, it was a really, really bad example because just 30 years ago, the last time the Filipinos had a violent dictator, they kicked him out of power with a nonviolent revolution.
People Power Revolution - Wikipedia
Why do you shyt on the idea that nonviolence works better than violence, when I keep giving you example after example and the statistical proof is there?
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I was negged/c00ned into oblivion 2 years ago for saying this
#potytalk
That's probably because no one trusts your intentions here. And you probably said it in some slick way.
The following things can all be true at the same time:
1. Southern slaveowners deserved to die for what they did.
2. Everyone who wanted to end slavery via violence was a hero.
3. Despite victory, the results of the Civil War were disappointing and possibly even counterproductive in the long term.
4. There possibly could have been another way, that could have ended slavery MUCH earlier and with better long-term results (as in, say, Pennsylvania or New York), if the will had been there.
The four greatest barriers to the end of slavery were that Southern Whites had given in to evil in their support of it, Northern Whites had given in to evil complacency in their lack of willingness to do much of anything about it, freemen were too small in numbers and power, and the victims of slavery were kept too disjointed and ill-informed to organize effectively against it. If any of those four factors could have changed, slavery could have ended decades earlier.
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A school district in Ohio is coming under fire after a pair of first graders gained access to an unlocked case containing a firearm that was meant to protect the students.
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First graders accessed gun meant to protect students in case left unlocked
Vicky Nelson, the transportation director for the district, had reportedly brought her grandson, one of the students, to her office near the school. Nelson was reportedly part of the school’s concealed carry program, which was launched last year in an effort to protect students.
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A school district in Ohio is coming under fire after a pair of first graders gained access to an unlocked case containing a firearm that was meant to protect the students.
About this website
THEHILL.COM
First graders accessed gun meant to protect students in case left unlocked
Vicky Nelson, the transportation director for the district, had reportedly brought her grandson, one of the students, to her office near the school. Nelson was reportedly part of the school’s concealed carry program, which was launched last year in an effort to protect students.
Fire the teacher...The Hill
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A school district in Ohio is coming under fire after a pair of first graders gained access to an unlocked case containing a firearm that was meant to protect the students.
About this website
THEHILL.COM
First graders accessed gun meant to protect students in case left unlocked
Vicky Nelson, the transportation director for the district, had reportedly brought her grandson, one of the students, to her office near the school. Nelson was reportedly part of the school’s concealed carry program, which was launched last year in an effort to protect students.
These cacs clearly don’t wanna pass gun reform. Let them suffer when it happens to one of their family members and they’ll see how it feels. Matter fact let them finish each other off. Y’all stay vigilant and protected 
I marched and was involved after the parkland massacre last year and shyt still hasn’t been done. Congress doesn’t give a shyt and only cares about money. It’ll be more of the same and thought and prayers.
I marched and was involved after the parkland massacre last year and shyt still hasn’t been done. Congress doesn’t give a shyt and only cares about money. It’ll be more of the same and thought and prayers.
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So Wapo reporting Trump called the El Paso Mayor s RHINO when visiting after shooting
