Official War With Iran Thread

[42 Monks]

@42 Monks said it would be over in a couple days

the attacking every country in every direction part? yeah and iran's blue water navy and air force *did* lose all capability in days. iran went from attacking military targets, to civilian targets, to threatening every civilian ship in coastal range. shyt they can't even get hezbollah and the houthis on the same page anymore lol...

china and russia never provided help in any significant measure, iran's defense export industry evaporated having their spot taken by south korea of all countries, and the region has been galvanized against them in a way that no conference or exchange would ever accomplish - and that's due to their direct actions not because of attacks

the issue i harped on the most i also stated from the jump - its weak journalism not even being able to cover basics like where an iranian refugee crisis is surging at, why iran targeted oil providers across the region except the one most critical to israel (guess what country and why that's significant), or even the full scope of financial effects which drive the situation on like this because focusing purely on the strait is a distraction in itself.

the second thing i harped on was the fact that every president in history was fine with this level of friction considering that war with iran typically meant entire embassies held hostage, dirty bombs, dead us sailors washing ashore by the hundreds, worldwide simultaneous air jackings, etc. that's been the main horror scenario scaring admins away from an iran war. and nothing even close to that happened. so congress will continue to be passionately indifferent for an exiting president that gave them exactly what many wanted at an objective fraction of the cost.

i don't think you've ever debated those two broad previous points. or anyone here really.

the funniest thing about this thread now is the people that say they hate propaganda while swallowing down their favorite propaganda without breathing. i love some memes like the next man but somehow there's this continuing theme that either country has been negotiating in good faith this week month decade generation. and that's dumb as fukk or deliberate.



now in all this^ i gave you a lot more than a sassy@ because that's not where i've ever been with anyone in HL if we say we want good dialogues again then lets do good dialogues again.

 

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the second thing i harped on was the fact that every president in history was fine with this level of friction considering that war with iran typically meant entire embassies held hostage, dirty bombs, dead us sailors washing ashore by the hundreds, worldwide simultaneous air jackings, etc. that's been the main horror scenario scaring admins away from an iran war. and nothing even close to that happened. so congress will continue to be passionately indifferent for an exiting president that gave them exactly what many wanted at an objective fraction of the cost.

Presidents were fine with the Strait of Hormuz shutting down? And disrupting the global economy?

somehow there's this continuing theme that either country has been negotiating in good faith this week month decade generation.

From who?

 

[42 Monks]

Presidents were fine with the Strait of Hormuz shutting down? And disrupting the global economy?
From who?

1) Yeah - because its always been every modern president's dream to leverage indirect economic pressures on Asia the same way it has on Europe. And I don't think that's a wild statement either.

In the post above I linked one of many articles discussing the USD regaining ground in the Iran War after the 2025 jumpscare. And I don't subscribe to that belief fully, but at the same time I acknowledge that steering into that is something that many in our government will embrace especially if it means that other economies take much harder hits than our own and be forced into directions they wouldn't normally accept.

2) The past page discussed who was attending potential talks and what country hadn't talked to which other country. Allegedly. And for the most part I don't think its worth any degree of attention.

Especially when its communicated as diplo-gossip and engagement slop. These tweets about the mentalities of those in the room are straight up fan fiction. And I've maintained that bad faith negotiations during conflict are an international policy since before the Ukraine thread took off here too. You saw me objectively lose interest in hostage release talks in the Israel/Palestine thread for the same reasons.

 

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1) Yeah - because its always been every modern president's dream to leverage indirect economic pressures on Asia the same way it has on Europe. And I don't think that's a wild statement either.

In the post above I linked one of many articles discussing the USD regaining ground in the Iran War after the 2025 jumpscare. And I don't subscribe to that belief fully, but at the same time I acknowledge that steering into that is something that many in our government will embrace especially if it means that other economies take much harder hits than our own and be forced into directions they wouldn't normally accept.

2) The past page discussed who was attending potential talks and what country hadn't talked to which other country. Allegedly. And for the most part I don't think its worth any degree of attention.

Especially when its communicated as diplo-gossip and engagement slop. These tweets about the mentalities of those in the room are straight up fan fiction. And I've maintained that bad faith negotiations during conflict are an international policy since before the Ukraine thread took off here too. You saw me objectively lose interest in hostage release talks in the Israel/Palestine thread for the same reasons.

I feel you

I think it comes down to people wanting their to be a good guy. I don’t think there is one or has ever been one.

I do and don’t think the US want the global warming economy to halt. Mostly because it isn’t politically advantageous, although I can see capitalist ghouls being excited since they don’t really care about country.

 

[wire28]

the attacking every country in every direction part? yeah and iran's blue water navy and air force *did* lose all capability in days. iran went from attacking military targets, to civilian targets, to threatening every civilian ship in coastal range. shyt they can't even get hezbollah and the houthis on the same page anymore lol...

china and russia never provided help in any significant measure, iran's defense export industry evaporated having their spot taken by south korea of all countries, and the region has been galvanized against them in a way that no conference or exchange would ever accomplish - and that's due to their direct actions not because of attacks

the issue i harped on the most i also stated from the jump - its weak journalism not even being able to cover basics like where an iranian refugee crisis is surging at, why iran targeted oil providers across the region except the one most critical to israel (guess what country and why that's significant), or even the full scope of financial effects which drive the situation on like this because focusing purely on the strait is a distraction in itself.

the second thing i harped on was the fact that every president in history was fine with this level of friction considering that war with iran typically meant entire embassies held hostage, dirty bombs, dead us sailors washing ashore by the hundreds, worldwide simultaneous air jackings, etc. that's been the main horror scenario scaring admins away from an iran war. and nothing even close to that happened. so congress will continue to be passionately indifferent for an exiting president that gave them exactly what many wanted at an objective fraction of the cost.

i don't think you've ever debated those two broad previous points. or anyone here really.

the funniest thing about this thread now is the people that say they hate propaganda while swallowing down their favorite propaganda without breathing. i love some memes like the next man but somehow there's this continuing theme that either country has been negotiating in good faith this week month decade generation. and that's dumb as fukk or deliberate.



now in all this^ i gave you a lot more than a sassy@ because that's not where i've ever been with anyone in HL if we say we want good dialogues again then lets do good dialogues again.

No and fukk you man!!

 

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[88m3]

sure sounds like they deserved it then if that's to be believed

 

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Iran was still allowing the International Atomic Energy Agency to monitor their nuclear program until the 12 days war last year from what I understand. It was not to the same levels as before Trump pulled out of it in 2018. From my understanding, Biden Administration wanted US officials to monitor it which is what Iran opposed.