Official War With Iran Thread

[88m3]

The U.S. has gone to war against Iran, Tom Nichols writes: “This is not a preemptive war. It is a war for regime change. Many of Iran’s 92 million people want the regime removed. But it is far from certain that this will be the outcome.” https://theatln.tc/3PfQ6oxK
“‘Success’ is not impossible—if by ‘success’ we mean the fall of the ayatollahs and the rise of a better, more humane, pro-Western government that does not seek to destabilize the Middle East; dominate Lebanon, Iraq, and Yemen; and eradicate Israel,” Nichols writes. “But the path to that success is exceedingly narrow and mined with significant hazards. Destroying the regime’s capabilities is relatively easy, but nothing permanent—as Americans learned in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan—is achieved by bouncing rubble and piling up bodies. Destroying the regime itself is a far trickier business; dictatorships have a high pain tolerance, especially when the hapless citizens, not the leaders, bear the brunt of that pain.”

Trump has “not offered a strategy, or identified any conditions that would signal that U.S. goals have been achieved,” Nichols continues. “Yes, he has vowed to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons, but beyond that, he seems to be arguing for just inflicting military damage on the regime, on the assumption that enough ordinance on enough targets will weaken the grip of the ayatollahs.”

“Americans have tried this before,” Nichols continues. “America twice had its hands full in Iraq, a nation of 37 million, even with the assistance of several nations.” This time “the target is two and a half times the size of Iraq, America has exactly one openly declared ally in this enterprise, no serious armed rebel force exists in Iran, and no coalition of nations is assembling to march into Tehran.”
“Unfortunately, ways that all this can go wrong are more numerous and more likely,” Nichols writes. Read more at the link in our bio.

 

[Outlaw]

What is the bold based off of

Trump is only doing this because of leverage.

If that leverage is missing then why would Kamala be compelled to do the same thing?

 

[wire28]

So less than 24 hours after Trump threw the international world into chaos, again, we are already at the “Dems too” arc? Time flies.

 

[88m3]

Where has this loser even been hiding lately. I got to make an edit to a statement I made earlier. She walked so fetterman could run

I'm sure she'll take a principled stance and resign. Right? @Pull Up the Roots

 

[Loose]

Trump is only doing this because of leverage.

If that leverage is missing then why would Kamala be compelled to do the same thing?

Alright man this some extreme cope. The person who has taken 10 million from Israel/aipac would be a fighter against israel. It's ok to admit we have a severe problem in our parties leadership

 

[Robbie3000]

@mastermind the guilt would eat me alive But im here if you need to talk brother

What about the 30,000 children that died in Gaza under the Biden and Harris administration?

Do they count? Do you need to talk about your guilt for voting Biden in 2024? That’s where my guilt comes from.

Man yall nikkas better wake up. Biden, Trump, Kamala are all puppets of Zionist scum dead set on waging wars of Zionist imperialism in the Middle East.

Btw, Why did Hakeem and Dems delay the war powers vote that Ro Khanna proposed? They went on a retreat this week instead of forcing a vote. Conveniently giving Trump and Netanyahu time to start the war.

Wake up!!

 

[Outlaw]

Alright man this some extreme cope. The person who has taken 10 million from Israel/aipac would be a fighter against israel. It's ok to admit we have a severe problem in our parties leadership

I don’t think she would have fought Israel but she wouldn’t take an obvious political hit for Israel.

Trump is destroying his entire branding of an anti war President for the Zionist state.

You have to ask yourself why, and the answer will give you clarity

 

[the next guy]

Absolute garbage. Not one person should be supporting this.

 

[88m3]

What about the 30,000 children that died in Gaza under the Biden and Harris administration?

Do they count? Do you need to talk about your guilt for voting Biden in 2024? That’s where my guilt comes from.

Man yall nikkas better wake up. Biden, Trump, Kamala are all puppets of Zionist scum dead set on waging wars of Zionist imperialism in the Middle East.

Btw, Why did Hakeem and Dems delay the war powers vote that Ro Khanna proposed? They went on a retreat this week instead of forcing a vote. Conveniently giving Trump and Netanyahu time to start the war.

Wake up!!

You're really incapable of holding Trump and your peers accountable.

If war powers weren't voted on it doesn't give Trump the ability to wage war.

You're the one that needs to wake up

 

[Robbie3000]

You're really incapable of holding Trump and your peers accountable.

If war powers weren't voted on it doesn't give Trump the ability to wage war.

You're the one that needs to wake up

It’s important to get on record who supports or opposes this war. Isn’t that why Kamala was calling for a similar vote on 2019?

 

[88m3]

It’s important to get on record who supports or opposes this war. Isn’t that why Kamala was calling for a similar vote on 2019?

Sure it matters just not as much as Trump blowing past congress and the constitution.

kinda f'd up forest for the trees ahh time are you on

 

[Hood Critic]

It’s important to get on record who supports or opposes this war. Isn’t that why Kamala was calling for a similar vote on 2019?

It's pure politics because that's all a resolution can do, is gets people on record.

1. So that means it's irrelevant whether it was slowed up or not because it wasn't going to stop the build up and obvious plan to strike.

2. The Dems knew this and are using it to aid in midterm voting.

So this all proves that its a waste of time focusing on "if Kamala..." or "the Dems slowed..." when our attention should instead be on what consequences are we going to have to deal with because Trump attacked Iran.

 

[mastermind]

It's pure politics because that's all a resolution can do, is gets people on record.

1. So that means it's irrelevant whether it was slowed up or not because it wasn't going to stop the build up and obvious plan to strike.

2. The Dems knew this and are using it to aid in midterm voting.

So this all proves that its a waste of time focusing on "if Kamala..." or "the Dems slowed..." when our attention should instead be on what consequences are we going to have to deal with because Trump attacked Iran.

I agree with your last paragraph

But it is important to get these people on record since they are public officials. They work for us. The people do not support a conflict with Iran, while it seems a lot of our elected officials do. That shyt needs to be out in the open to have a better informed public.

 

[Loose]

Letting it be known right now I will never vote for this guy under any circumstances. No amount of gaslighting will change that

 

[Pressure]

Letting it be known right now I will never vote for this guy under any circumstances. No amount of gaslighting will change that

You live in NY. We don't care. Your vote no longer matters

But also

Primary elections are currently happening.