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if they can just get out from under the current regimes thumb... they're a young and educated country whatever they create will likely be an improvement over an authoritarian theocracy ran by evil old men
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I don't buy this at all. The Arab Spring showed us that extremism still festers during regime changes even when pushed by their own people. Iran is more complicated because it has a weird cocktail of internal dissent that doesn't trust foreign "aid" and an elite that will probably become even more ruthless and it has the more problematic issue of being so entrenched with religion. That sounds to me like a bad recipe for more extremism in the short term (5 years or so).

To be honest I believe none of us have the right answer for the problems that nations like Iran face right now. Nor what a country like Israel -that also has internal dissent- will probably face in the near future. I also worry for those people, because they have been roped by a fascist government that feels like it can do whatever the fukk it wants with no consequences and it's getting more and more reckless.
 
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88m3 said:
if they can just get out from under the current regimes thumb... they're a young and educated country whatever they create will likely be an improvement over an authoritarian theocracy ran by evil old men

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You think if Trump died then MAGA would disappear? The people he pardoned for Jan 6 would turn themselves back in to serve their punishment?

The regime took advantage of discontent within the country in the 70s. They didn’t heal them.

Nobody knows what the factions are on the ground are now anymore than someone thinking murking Charlie Kirk would end his brand of conservative
 
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Json said:
You think if Trump died then MAGA would disappear? The people he pardoned for Jan 6 would turn themselves back in to serve their punishment?

The regime took advantage of discontent within the country in the 70s. They didn’t heal them.

Nobody knows what the factions are on the ground are now anymore than someone thinking murking Charlie Kirk would end his brand of conservative
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apples and oranges situations

it's possible the regime holds onto power for a bit but I don't think Israel and the US are going to put their teeth away until something new and functional comes about and the Arab world is all in at this point after the indiscriminate drones/missiles/straight closure

Iran is different from the dysfunctional Arab states that would immediately come to mind so I wouldn't look for parallels there

that's all I've got right now
 
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88m3 said:
if they can just get out from under the current regimes thumb... they're a young and educated country whatever they create will likely be an improvement over an authoritarian theocracy ran by evil old men

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Cut the shyt. The only thing you care about is Israel and America’s hegemony in the region.

Israel and U.S have caused more deaths and destruction in that region than Iran’s regime can dream of doing.

Here is a novel idea, how about you get the fukk out of Iran’s business and let them figure it out.
 
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88m3 said:
apples and oranges situations

it's possible the regime holds onto power for a bit but I don't think Israel and the US are going to put their teeth away until something new and functional comes about and the Arab world is all in at this point after the indiscriminate drones/missiles/straight closure

Iran is different from the dysfunctional Arab states that would immediately come to mind so I wouldn't look for parallels there

that's all I've got right now
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That’s not what I argued.

I said we don’t know what factions exist within the country. Iranians have been discontented for decades including by the Ayatollahs.

The current regime strangled freedom of speech. The idea that just removing one person leads to something functional is insane. Kirk left Fuentes and Tate. Different flavors of the same kool-aid.

The fact you don’t see the fact the US and Israel have to keep their “ teeth out” is dysfunctional. That means they don’t know what is coming. There’s no Marshall plan or McArthur for guidance.

The Arab world ain’t all in.
 
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Jmare007 said:
I don't buy this at all. The Arab Spring showed us that extremism still festers during regime changes even when pushed by their own people. Iran is more complicated because it has a weird cocktail of internal dissent that doesn't trust foreign "aid" and an elite that will probably become even more ruthless and it has the more problematic issue of being so entrenched with religion. That sounds to me like a bad recipe for more extremism in the short term (5 years or so).

To be honest I believe none of us have the right answer for the problems that nations like Iran face right now. Nor what a country like Israel -that also has internal dissent- will probably face in the near future. I also worry for those people, because they have been roped by a fascist government that feels like it can do whatever the fukk it wants with no consequences and it's getting more and more reckless.
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Maybe I'm wrong but the type of extremism that exists in many of the Arab states isn't natural in Iran... there are regime hardliners of course but what they'll do and their numbers will be in a post regime society is anyones guess. The elite are problem everywhere unfortunately. The demographics of having a young and educated population gives them a greater shot at success than most places on earth. How entrenched in religion are they that the government has to beat, imprison, torture, rape, and kill them by the tens of thousands+ for decades. I just hope they're successful and not oppressed as they have been by whatever government takes hold. I definitely don't think I know all the answers I'm only hopeful that their people aren't oppressed and butchered over political/religious differences. Based on everything I read the Iranian government absolutely killed tens of thousands of people last month. The Mahsa Amini killing and killing of other girls and women over the years by the regime should make anyone demand better. Just off its population Iran won't be dominated or controlled by the US or it's immediate neighbors so if they can reach a consensus on how to govern which they will they'll be in a great place eventually.

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Israel has a government system and demographics problem that allowed the far right to gain power. Not sure what it will take for Israel to break the cycle but it's still possible now more than ever after all the things that have happened there. I'd say there are deep parallels with Orban's Hungary where only now there's finally a chance of them getting free nearly fifteen years later. Both corrupted and manipulated their court systems and political systems to the max. Same thing that has happened to the US.
 
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Robbie3000 said:
Cut the shyt. The only thing you care about is Israel and America’s hegemony in the region.

Israel and U.S have caused more deaths and destruction in that region than Iran’s regime can dream of doing.

Here is a novel idea, how about you get the fukk out of Iran’s business and let them figure it out.
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No you cut the shyt. You think and talk about Jews and Israel more than I ever have in my life.

All the blood in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, and Yemen can be laid directly at the Iranian regimes feet. I didn't include Jews in my tally because you don't think they're human.


Ask any Arab how they feel about the Iranian government. Ask an Iraqi. You're a tool.
 
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