Official War With Iran Thread

[Serious]

Im genuinely confused why trump thought iranians would surrender after you killed their religious leader and IRGC commanders?

I always looked at it like he needs a distraction that won’t go away.

So he can always accuse others of being unpatriotic as shameful language to discourage dissent, and certain style of questioning, while also being able lean into calling everything a national emergency.

It’s a way to dismiss their current behavior and allows cover for them to withhold information and leap frog certain questioning.

I hope everyone here is clearly operating under the guise that we attacked Venezuela timing wise, to get heat off Epstein. I’m sure regime change was always on the agenda but the timing of it was expedited.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Do they even have leadership? Who would even be in charge right now?

The Ayotollah is nothing more than a spiritual leader

they have a whole apparatus underneath (similar to chinas ccp) made up of hardliners and religious theocrats

 

[42 Monks]

That’s fair. Looking at the account name I was not sure.

I think Endogan stays out of it, he’s in the position again to negotiate peace and having a massive war at his southern border is not good for business.

I will make the argument that the only country that wants this is Israel. A sustained war is not in anyone’s benefit.

all good im just like.... a lot of stuff is actually very much up to debate as real info trickles out way, way behind what's actually going on now

 

[Jmare007]

Im genuinely confused why trump thought iranians would surrender after you killed their religious leader and IRGC commanders?

At this point we have to take whatever motivation is being communicated to the public as PR babble and not real motivation. You can't have regime change with just bombs, and at no point was there talk of legit "surrender" from the regime, more like "here, we weakened the regime, now start your revolution", which sounds too naive to be a real goal, imo.

From what we know of Trump, just killing the old fukk was the W he needed to spin it the way he sees fit.

The real motivations probably stems from Israel's plans. The rest is just words to justify the operation.

france has already said they're in. jean-noel barrot just had a press conference a few hours ago pledging support to not only the US but any gulf state effected

germany objectively can't do much because they haven't even modernized *internal* military build up in their own country yet. shyt, i think a few months ago poland did a counterdrug operation in germany's own borders and all they could do was say thanks let us know earlier so we can call it a joint effort

the crazy shyt will be if turkey decides to let the brits use their airbases after abandoning cyprus. and if syria wants a lot of new international friends fast, its clear which way they'll lean too.

long story short - these tweets are framing this shyt very poorly for reactions and engagement
iran actually set a record for hitting 15 different countries in one day if i remember one report right. that's..... i don't know the longer this goes, the more reasons and pathways for others to jump in. shyt, iran not being able to support russia's ukraine war also straight up frees a burden on europe - and if China decides they're okay moving long term oil sales to russia instead, then that's another valve too.

Yeah, I don't see how Iran is embarrassing anyone right now. They just causing as much noise as possible to stretch Israel/US focus and make them think about their ammo in the coming weeks + try to cause concern from third parties so they can maybe push for a ceasefire so their interests don't get too hurt in the short/medium term.

All of this without much regard of the damage they are gonna get themselves. Seems like a "nothing to lose" proposal from a hurt nation with decent military resources.

My guess is that they want to make as much noise as possible to save face and, like I said before, make Israel and the US use their resources to a point were they can't attack again so soon after a ceasefire is reached.

Like, they are aiming for "if I'm gonna get hurt badly anyways, at least I gotta make sure I don't get hit again quick once I can start recovering".

I also have no fukking idea how social unrest is the Western allies in the Gulf works. I know some countries have a ruthless elite that's the religious minority (like Bahrein), but, again, getting bombed doesn't cause revolutions

 

[Liu Kang]

How did those 3 service members die ? After hits on US bases ?

 

[thatrapsfan]

How did those 3 service members die ? After hits on US bases ?

Iranian missile strike on US military base in Kuwait.

 

[Loose]

They basically just carpet bombing tehran, how this good for iranians again? No boots on the ground slaughter civilians the us ans israel way

 

[Pressure]

The American people need to see shyt like this.

Because so many of us (y'all) are fukking delusional and totally and completely detached from reality.
It's going bad right now against a legitimate state that produces all kinds of Engineers, Politicians, Military men, etc.
For whatever reason many of you seem to be believe that "end of history" shyt is real and that every other nation
has been sitting on their hands since the 80s or the 90s.

People have built universities, industry, produce great talent and directed that talent inward to push their nations forward
while all we did was export violence and propagandistic "entertainment".
Americans *will* feel the pain as our hegemony weakens and we continue to slide down from the top to be replaced
by India and China and Nigeria.

The multi-polar world of tomorrow that we're entering is something we're completely and utterly unprepared for
and we let racism and hubris fukk us UP.

They're doing layoffs at your job?

 

[Insensitive]

How is Iran NOT embarrassing us?


Anyone trying to paint Iran as "belligerent" or "Flailing wildly"
or "doing whatever" is really NOT paying attention whatsoever.

If you told someone 20 years ago that multiple US bases would be struck.
Our service members who'd been evacuated from said bases to fukking hotels would
immediately be struck afterwards.
Critical infrastructure would be targeted.
And key shipping points would be closed off by a state that is seen as "incompetent" and "poor" and "backwards".


You'd be looked at like a fukking freak and a crackpot.

Like lets be serious for a second here.

We got the Iron dome failing on live television and newly Engineered missiles created to
in response to our intercepting capabilities, doing their job well and people talking about Iran
ISN'T doing what they set out to do.

 

[Nascimento]

Not anymore. Iranian air defense was severely degraded last year and the US/Israel are focusing on destroying it even more currently. Israeli jets wouldn't have been able to chill in Iranian air space last year otherwise.

China did supply Iran with more defense systems since the 12 day war but I doubt they managed to replace decades of Russian supplies in 6 months. Moreover, Israel/US were probably monitoring those new equipements since last June to make sure they were prime targets right now.

Iran is not in a good place at the moment but it's not hopeless yet. They may still be in capacity to consistently retaliate next week and only then could the tide turn in their favor (relatively speaking because they've already lost a lot)

Yes, ultimately it's proven by live combat operations how well the stuff is integrated.

You don't see many aircraft chilling in the air right now though, right?

"Severely degraded" and "chill in Iranian air space" sounds like Western media sources.

In June it was a regime change attempt by decapitation strike. They infiltrated locally and used Iranian telecom networks to disable batteries and then take them out, to open up a corridor. Israel carried out one big initial strike, followed by low level strikes for a week. Iranians figured out what happened and shut down their telecoms. They've said that the damage sustained was easily replaced and repaired. But it's really a moot point because it wasn't a campaign to bomb Iran into submission but a decapitation strike.

Israel played that hand in June, and looks like they aren't able to repeat that trick.

I'm only seeing evidence of Tomahawks, suicide drones and the B2. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Iranians refused cease-fire talks. This conflict is now out of American and Israeli hands, Iran is in the driver's seat.

 

[Jmare007]

As a lot of you have said, this is the main takeaway from all these wars lately

 

[Wargames]

He and Trump never understood their job is keep people calm or at least not agitated and scared. Do you know how many family members or people in the armed forces who are scared about this and he is isn't doing anything t to help, to go on a rant.

 

[Insensitive]

Europe wants cooler heads because they're about to get fukked by soaring Energy costs.

 

[Jmare007]

How is Iran NOT embarrassing us?


Anyone trying to paint Iran as "belligerent" or "Flailing wildly"
or "doing whatever" is really NOT paying attention whatsoever.

If you told someone 20 years ago that multiple US bases would be struck.
Our service members who'd been evacuated from said bases to fukking hotels would
immediately be struck afterwards.
Critical infrastructure would be targeted.
And key shipping points would be closed off by a state that is seen as "incompetent" and "poor" and "backwards".


You'd be looked at like a fukking freak and a crackpot.

Like lets be serious for a second here.

We got the Iron dome failing on live television and newly Engineered missiles created to
in response to our intercepting capabilities, doing their job well and people talking about Iran
ISN'T doing what they set out to do.

I guess I never bought into that gringo narrative (I'm not from the US). I'm just talking from an outsider perspective on what I'm seeing . Like I said, I'm seeing a hurt nation with decent military resources do their thing and trying to not get fukked again so soon once this is over.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

The Ayotollah is nothing more than a spiritual leader

they have a whole apparatus underneath (similar to chinas ccp) made up of hardliners and religious theocrats

Are you sure about the supreme leader being merely a spiritual leader? I thought the IRGC reported to the supreme leader, and didnt the president during the JCPOA need to get the supreme leader's approval?

I think the Supreme leader is actually the most powerful position in the Iranian government (moreso than the President).