Official War With Iran Thread

[Outlaw]

Bro this is perhaps the worst issue to make this argument on. You're trying to twist this situation into something completely novel and caused by the Trump Administration's acquiescence when we've all seen Israel take unprecedented step after step since October 7th with the same acquiescence from the Biden administration. You sound ridiculous because we've all seen with our own eyes the escalatory nature of the Netanyahu administration, and the clear through line to the attack they just launched. They literally did "preemptive" bombing of the Iranian embassy in April of 2024 under Biden and received no condemnation for it, then they escalated to attacking Iranian air defense systems near Iranian nuclear facilities and received no condemnation for it. Not to mention the live streamed genocide they've been committing while receiving total cover from the Biden Administration. This current attack didn't come out of nowhere man, the US administrations of Biden and Trump have had the exact same policy towards Israeli aggression and intransigence.

Israel didn’t attack Tehran directly under Biden, a clear escalation and which furthers my point. Trump would have allowed everything that happened under Biden and probably more. Remember when Trump killed the Iranian general during his first term but Covid prevented war from breaking out then?

And if you're talking about statements and rhetoric, the Trump Administration has actually gone further in their rebukes of Israel than the Biden Administration has. Witkoff and Boehler's statements about Israeli and Hamas respectively are better than anything that came out of Blinken's mouth.

I disagree, Kamala supported a two state solution openly, that’s a non starter under Trump, in fact Trump wants to completely ethnically cleanse the area.

You say we don't know what the Biden Administration did behind the scenes, but by your logic we also don't know what the Trump administration is doing behind the scenes to prevent Israel from being even more genocidal than they are right now. Since we aren't in the scifs or confidential briefings for either administration, it is only reasonable to judge them on their actual actions. And there is simply no factual way to say there has been some massive, exponential escalation in the actions of the Israelis since Trump took office. Just as it has been for most of the history of US-Israel relations, this is a bipartisan dumpster fire. Trump owns it now because he's in office, but don't act like we were on some different path before he got elected.

Here comes the root of everything in my eyes, Trump has shown nothing that would indicate he’d be better than Biden since October 7th so he absolutely does not deserve any benefit of the doubt.

In fact one could argue that Trump is even more immoral, Biden is an ideological Zionist so in his eyes he’s doing something morally right. Trump is so devoid of humanity that despite not giving a fukk about Israel as a concept he still won’t do anything to stop them from their insanity.

If Biden truly believed Israel was an evil or an impediment to peace in the region IMO he would have been more harsh but since he’s a Zionist his bias completely corrupted him

 

[mastermind]

It comes off as a lie to objective people. I GUESS he can get this shyt off on dumbasses

What doesn’t Trump say that does not come off as a lie to objective people?

 

[Loose]

What doesn’t Trump say that does not come off as a lie to objective people?

Trump literally lies his way into popular positions, the anti war portion of his base seems to be against this attack; if this impacts his polling in any material way, Trump will walk back openly supporting israel like he just did with deportions of working migrants. However he will continue this same bipartisan disastrous israel controlled foreign policy behind doors.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Obviously major blows for Iran but as smoke clears literally and figuratively, a few things that will give them saving grace:

1) Doesnt appear like any of the attacks have damaged nuclear centrifuges. Theyre too far underground and Israeli planes cant carry the heaviest/most advanced bunker busters than can penetrate that deep. Only USAF has that capability.

2) Highly unlikely government can be overthrown through the air. All other examples of regime changes which were precipitated by air campaigns supported corresponding ground forces. I.E. Libyan Rebels and NATO bombing campaign, Iraq War ground campaign etc. There is no corresponding armed opposition in Iran, even though Mossad clearly has human assets.

If this passes without any real damage to nuclear program, initial success of campaign may be revisited.

 

[King Kreole]

Israel didn’t attack Tehran directly under Biden, a clear escalation and which furthers my point. Trump would have allowed everything that happened under Biden and probably more. Remember when Trump killed the Iranian general during his first term but Covid prevented war from breaking out then?

They didn't attack Tehran directly, they just escalated the status quo by bombing its embassy and then further escalated by conducting strikes against it's domestic defense installations protecting its nuclear facilities. This attack against Tehran is an escalation, but it's the latest in a string of escalations the Israeli state has been taking since October 7th. This didn't come out of nowhere.

Trump most likely would have allowed everything that happened under Biden. And yes, I remember his killing Soleimani, one of the worst foreign policy actions he took in his entire first term. My claim isn't that Trump is better than Biden on this issue, it's that you cannot credibly make the claim that he is markedly worse, which is itself a terrible indictment on the Democrats. We all just sat through a year of Biden's fecklessness and passive cosigning of Israel's actions. Can't act brand new when Trump does it as well. This is an issue that transcends partisan politics, not everything can be rendered through the lens of the virtuous Democrat vs the evil Republican.

I disagree, Kamala supported a two state solution openly, that’s a non starter under Trump, in fact Trump wants to completely ethnically cleanse the area.

Support for a two-state solution is a useless position used by Libs to avoid actually confronting the issue, so I don't give any weight to Kamala's lip service on that. That's what all Presidents say. Trump said it in his first term and it meant nothing. And when Huckabee recently insinuated he was against it, the Trump administration immediately sidelined him. Again, this is all just bullshyt rhetoric to kick the can down the road. Trump doesn't actually give a fukk about what happens to the Palestinians. Neither does Kamala and neither did Biden.

Here comes the root of everything in my eyes, Trump has shown nothing that would indicate he’d be better than Biden since October 7th so he absolutely does not deserve any benefit of the doubt.

In fact one could argue that Trump is even more immoral, Biden is an ideological Zionist so in his eyes he’s doing something morally right. Trump is so devoid of humanity that despite not giving a fukk about Israel as a concept he still won’t do anything to stop them from their insanity.

If Biden truly believed Israel was an evil or an impediment to peace in the region IMO he would have been more harsh but since he’s a Zionist his bias completely corrupted him

No President or their administration ever deserves the benefit of the doubt. They should all be treated with hostile suspicion because they are in positions of power and have a structural and ideological incentive to fukk us over. I don't know if the committed Nazi ideologue who believes he is doing something just and right is better than the one just following orders. But I'm not particularly interested in making claims about the moral weight of either Trump or Biden's soul. I personally don't believe either will be touching the hem of His heavenly garment when their time on this mortal coil is up. I care more about their actions and policies. They've both midwifed this current situation. This requires a systemic analysis of the entire American governance project, not a partisan one.

 

[mastermind]

1) Doesnt appear like any of the attacks have damaged nuclear centrifuges. Theyre too far underground and Israeli planes cant carry the heaviest/most advanced bunker busters than can penetrate that deep. Only USAF has that capability.

If this is the case, then this is evidence that Netanyahu was acting on his own. He told Cuck Trump it would happen, but didn’t ask.

 

[Lord Beasley]

What doesn’t Trump say that does not come off as a lie to objective people?

Touché

 

[Liu Kang]

Obviously major blows for Iran but as smoke clears literally and figuratively, a few things that will give them saving grace:

1) Doesnt appear like any of the attacks have damaged nuclear centrifuges. Theyre too far underground and Israeli planes cant carry the heaviest/most advanced bunker busters than can penetrate that deep. Only USAF has that capability.

2) Highly unlikely government can be overthrown through the air. All other examples of regime changes which were precipitated by air campaigns supported corresponding ground forces. I.E. Libyan Rebels and NATO bombing campaign, Iraq War ground campaign etc. There is no corresponding armed opposition in Iran, even though Mossad clearly has human assets.

If this passes without any real damage to nuclear program, initial success of campaign may be revisited.

Considering how successful Israel attacks have been, isn't it evidence that Iran is infiltrated at an insane level ? Seems that Mossad has more than assets and probably has flipped high level members of the regime. Their intel is too accurate at the moment.

We need to wait a couple of weeks but Iran looks to be in a very fragile position.

 

[88m3]

The Mullahs have gotta be checking the expiration dates and warranties on Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Seems like Russia and China's vaporware was just that... not to mention their own domestic weapons industry.


imagine how much of a coward you have to be to root for a government that beats little girls to death because their headsarfs were askew

 

[FAH1223]

Obviously major blows for Iran but as smoke clears literally and figuratively, a few things that will give them saving grace:

1) Doesnt appear like any of the attacks have damaged nuclear centrifuges. Theyre too far underground and Israeli planes cant carry the heaviest/most advanced bunker busters than can penetrate that deep. Only USAF has that capability.

2) Highly unlikely government can be overthrown through the air. All other examples of regime changes which were precipitated by air campaigns supported corresponding ground forces. I.E. Libyan Rebels and NATO bombing campaign, Iraq War ground campaign etc. There is no corresponding armed opposition in Iran, even though Mossad clearly has human assets.

If this passes without any real damage to nuclear program, initial success of campaign may be revisited.

If this is the case, then this is evidence that Netanyahu was acting on his own. He told Cuck Trump it would happen, but didn’t ask.

Yeah, Netanyahu did this on his own. Trump is spinning things to act as if he's the boss as it were.

Trump is delusional if he thinks negotiations are going to continue. This would embolden Iran even more!

Considering how successful Israel attacks have been, isn't it evidence that Iran is infiltrated at an insane level ? Seems that Mossad has more than assets and probably has flipped high level members of the regime. Their intel is too accurate at the moment.

We need to wait a couple of weeks but Iran looks to be in a very fragile position.

Mossad has penetrated Iran for years. Its much deeper than we thought!

 

[CrimsonTider]

We went from Pro Hamas to pro Iran in here

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Robbie3000]

The Mullahs have gotta be checking the expiration dates and warranties on Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Seems like Russia and China's vaporware was just that... not to mention their own domestic weapons industry.


imagine how much of a coward you have to be to root for a government that beats little girls to death because their headsarfs were askew

This is coming from The same POS that cheers when Israel drops 2000 pound bombs on children, women and unarmed men.

 

[88m3]

This is coming from The same POS that cheers when Israel drops 2000 pound bombs on children, women and unarmed men.

Not cheering for Israel that's just the reality of the situation. Hamas was happy and celebrated the response they elicited for butchering those defenseless civilians in Israel btw and Hamas is happy Palestinians are dying in record numbers . You're a crash dummy and a pawn.

 

[Kokoro]

I guess Iran’s options are: go all out (whatever is left, they’re very compromised internally and from the bombs), regime change and cutting off proxies, or a possibly inviting outside inspectors (five western nations and five non Western nations) and have them inspect what’s left at the nuclear sites, especially if they don’t have any enriched uranium for the purpose of bombs or not enough to make a bomb.