Official War With Iran Thread

[Outlaw]

its a coin flip at this point, he wouldn’t be shyt talking Tucker if he wasn’t planning to attack - I think he’s still working on manufacturing consent

 

[FAH1223]

One of Kamala’s main ME advisors. Bipartisan consensus

Brett goes back to the Bush administration bro. He’s a cockroach. He was in Obama, Trump and Biden admins.

Phil Gordon is Kamala’s guy. She was going to replace Brett if she won.

But the bipartisan consensus for Israel would still be supreme.

 

[King Kreole]

Kamala’s administration would ideologically be similar to the Labour Party in the UK.

I would argue that liberal US foreign policy and the UK have been lockstep for decades, The current UK position is more of a correlative projection than Dems being silent when Republicans hold all the levers of power

1. Starmer didn't say he "wouldn't support Israel against Iran",:

Speaking to reporters on Saturday, during the flight to Canada, Starmer refused to rule out defending Israel from Iranian strikes launched in response to Israel’s attack against Iran’s nuclear and military infrastructure, despite Tehran’s threat that such an action could lead to British bases in the region being targeted.

Speaking earlier to Sky News, Rachel Reeves, the chancellor, said that while the UK had sent additional RAF Typhoon jets and refuelling aircraft to the region, this was just a “precautionary” move.

“It does not mean that we are at war,” she said. Reeves noted the UK has in the past helped intercept missiles heading towards Israel, and said similar defensive action could not be ruled out.

“We have in the past supported Israel when there have been missiles coming in,” she said, adding that the government would act to protect British assets and potentially support its allies.

Asked if the UK would back Israel if it seemingly wanted to go further than degrading Iran’s nuclear capabilities, with strikes intended to push for regime change in Tehran, the No 10 spokesperson said not.

This is all pretty much indistinguishable from the Trump Administration's line.

2. Why would you assume a Harris administration would be ideologically similar to the Labour Party? Democrats are to the right of Labour. No Labour Party leader would be caught dead taking Kamala's positions on healthcare, guns, foreign policy (most lethal fighting force), corporations, etc. The Biden Administration took a further right position on the Gaza genocide than the Starmer government, and Kamala promised to continue Biden's path on this issue, so I see no reason to believe she would be closer to Starmer than Biden.

 

[FAH1223]

Could easily be intentional smoke and mirrors.

Israelis are trying to fake news an intervention. White House denying.

 

[King Kreole]

Israelis are trying to fake news an intervention. White House denying.

These people are completely fukking shameless and out of control.

 

[Outlaw]

1. Starmer didn't say he "wouldn't support Israel against Iran",:


This is all pretty much indistinguishable from the Trump Administration's line.

2. Why would you assume a Harris administration would be ideologically similar to the Labour Party? Democrats are to the right of Labour. No Labour Party leader would be caught dead taking Kamala's positions on healthcare, guns, foreign policy (most lethal fighting force), corporations, etc. The Biden Administration took a further right position on the Gaza genocide than the Starmer government, and Kamala promised to continue Biden's path on this issue, so I see no reason to believe she would be closer to Starmer than Biden.

I saw this tweet posted by @Leasy

After closer inspection I see it’s fake

I’ll concede my point of contention about the Labour Party but the Dems being silent right now is political strategy even if it’s morally wrong. Republicans hold all the cards right now and it’s up to them to keep us out of the war

I genuinely don’t believe Kamala would have let things escalate to this point

 

[wire28]

I saw this tweet posted by @Leasy


After closer inspection I see it’s fake

I’ll concede my point of contention about the Labour Party but the Dems being silent right now is political strategy even if it’s morally wrong. Republicans hold all the cards right now and it’s up to them to keep us out of the war

I genuinely don’t believe Kamala would have let things escalate to this point

The great hasan piker put it more eloquently than anyone when he said “we don’t know Kamala would be any better than Trump”

His words still ring true to this very day

People from all sides told us she was not the woman for the job. It’s time to let the man for the job do what he was elected to do and lead us through this extraordinarily delicate time.

 

[Outlaw]

The great hasan piker put it more eloquently than anyone when he said “we don’t know Kamala would be any better than Trump”

His words still ring true to this very day

People from all sides told us she was not the woman for the job. It’s time to let the man for the job do what he was elected to do and lead us through this extraordinarily delicate time.

I tried to listen to Hassan today to see his perspective on it and he was raging against his chat doubling down saying Kamala wouldn’t be any better. Had to turn that shyt off.

 

[King Kreole]

I saw this tweet posted by @Leasy


After closer inspection I see it’s fake

I’ll concede my point of contention about the Labour Party but the Dems being silent right now is political strategy even if it’s morally wrong. Republicans hold all the cards right now and it’s up to them to keep us out of the war

I genuinely don’t believe Kamala would have let things escalate to this point

Right, I too believe that the Dems being silent is a coordinated and deliberate strategy. I just think it sucks ass because for anyone who is anti-war, the only figures who are making an appealing case to you are right-wing MAGA influencers. Dems are ceding the anti-war space because they think it's a losing position and are tired of having to countenance the moral, anti-war element of their coalition.

And I actually don't think Kamala would have responded any different than Trump has on this specific issue of Iran-Israel. It's not like the US unilaterally bombed Iran, it was Israel that escalated it to this point because they correctly intuited that Trump is a massive p*ssy. They would have successfully run the same play on Kamala because she's a lightweight. Israel would have done the same preemptive strike against Iran that started this, and Kamala already proved she doesn't have the ovarian fortitude to tell Israel to fukk off.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[88m3]

Could easily be intentional smoke and mirrors.

Why not give the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt?

 

[K-Apps]

 

[88m3]

Trump normalized this behavior during his last term.

I feel like you're right the more and more I think about it. Trump is pretty direct when he chooses to be and we had 4 years of precedent to look back on. I think reelecting DJT was a mistake.

 

[88m3]

As a left leaning person I've always been against nuclear proliferation, I also live in New York so I don't want to see all the people I care about die, and myself to a lesser extent. You know?

 

[Outlaw]

Right, I too believe that the Dems being silent is a coordinated and deliberate strategy. I just think it sucks ass because for anyone who is anti-war, the only figures who are making an appealing case to you are right-wing MAGA influencers. Dems are ceding the anti-war space because they think it's a losing position and are tired of having to countenance the moral, anti-war element of their coalition.

And I actually don't think Kamala would have responded any different than Trump has on this specific issue of Iran-Israel. It's not like the US unilaterally bombed Iran, it was Israel that escalated it to this point because they correctly intuited that Trump is a massive p*ssy. They would have successfully run the same play on Kamala because she's a lightweight. Israel would have done the same preemptive strike against Iran that started this, and Kamala already proved she doesn't have the ovarian fortitude to tell Israel to fukk off.

Do you think Israel would have preemptively attacked Iran in the same manner under a Obama administration?

Also why do you think Israel paused escalations with Iran under Biden?