Official War With Iran Thread
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U.S. War Planes and Helicopters Kick Off Battle to Reopen Hormuz — The Wall Street Journal
Effort takes on new urgency nearly three weeks into the war with Iran as oil prices soar
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Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Tulsi Gabbard Reveals How Little Intel Trump Is Getting on Iran
Senior intel officials can’t explain why Trump is so shocked by Iran’s retaliation tactics in the war.
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Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
So they moderates are the guys who do rape dungeons, throw gays off roofs, and send thousands of fighters to Syria to dig mass graves for Assad?
Insensitive
Superstar
Even if that is the case, they'll still need to purchase those things going forward.
So the inflation is coming, no matter what.
We are descending to TLR level discourse if we dont have the capacity to understand that no culture is a monolith.
The moderates in Iran, for example, are the individuals who were willing to enter in to a nuclear deal with the US and follow the terms of those deals.
The current President of Iran, Pezechzian, is a moderate relative to Iranian politics. Just like former President Rouhani, who used political capital to enter the JCPOA, was a moderate.
If you choose to turn off your brains and believe Western propaganda that all Iranians are savage rather than that it is a complex culture with hardliners as well as moderates (relative to that system) then that is your choice.
But you are doing yourselves a disservice by parroting stupid talking points rather than developing a nuanced understanding of the region.
Moderates are the guys who has had a religious fatwa since 2004 that states they will not develop nuclear weapons. Sending troops to die, slaughtering gays have never stopped us from supporting Saudi Arabia uae Bahrain etc
Mister Terrific
It’s in the name
Nobody said anything about Iranian culture we are talking about state policy, which has remained largely unchanged for the past 50 years.
Funding and active participation in terrorism abroad and state terror domestically.
The Iranian president is more than a figure head but just a little. The armed forces, judiciary, foreign policy are under the auspices of the Supreme Leader and every decision he makes is vetted by the ruling religious clerics.
The president is the second highest ranking official in Iran. While the president has a high public profile, however, his power is in many ways trimmed back by the constitution, which subordinates the entire executive branch to the Supreme Leader. In fact, Iran is the only state in which the executive branch does not control the armed forces.
The president is responsible for setting the country's economic policies. Though he has nominal rule over the Supreme National Security Council and the Ministry of Intelligence and Security, in practice the Supreme Leader dictates all matters of foreign and domestic security. Eight vice presidents serve under the president, as well as a cabinet of 22 ministers. The Council of Ministers must be confirmed by Parliament.
Mohammad Khatami was elected president in 1997 in a stunning upset over the conservative establishment candidate, Speaker of the Parliament Ali-Akbar Nateq-Nouri. Khatami captured nearly 70 percent of the popular vote, with about 80 percent of eligible voters turning out.
PARLIAMENT
The Iranian Parliament is a unicameral legislative body whose 290 members are publicly elected every four years. It drafts legislation, ratifies international treaties, and approves the country's budget.
In the parliamentary elections of 2000, reformist candidates won nearly three-quarters of the seats in Parliament; only 14 percent of the newly elected deputies were clerics. However, Parliament is still held in check by the Council of Guardians, the influential oversight body that examines all laws passed by Parliament to determine their compatibility with sharia, or Islamic law. At times, the council, half of whose members are appointed by the Supreme Leader, has struck down up to 40 percent of the laws passed by Parliament.
Parliamentary sessions are open to the public; its deliberations are broadcast and its minutes are published. "Over the years," writes Elaine Sciolino in Persian Mirrors, "the debates [in Parliament] have provided a window into the everyday concerns and demands of the nation. ... I could always count on deputies in the Parliament, particularly those from obscure villages, to speak their minds."
ASSEMBLY OF EXPERTS
The Assembly of Experts, which meets for one week every year, consists of 86 "virtuous and learned" clerics elected by the public to eight-year terms. Like presidential and parliamentary elections, the Council of Guardians determines who can run for a seat in the assembly.
Members of the Assembly of Experts in turn elect the Supreme Leader from within their own ranks and periodically reconfirm him. The assembly has never been known to challenge any of the Supreme Leader's decisions.
Robin Wright, a foreign correspondent for the Los Angeles Times and the author of The Last Great Revolution: Turmoil and Transformation in Iran (2000) compares the Assembly of Experts to the Vatican's College of Cardinals, and writes that it is the "most obscure of Iran's many [governing] bodies."
COUNCIL OF GUARDIANS
Twelve jurists comprise the Council of Guardians, six of whom are appointed by the Supreme Leader. The head of the judiciary recommends the remaining six, which are officially appointed by Parliament.
The Council of Guardians is vested with the authority to interpret the constitution and determines if the laws passed by Parliament are in line with sharia (Islamic law). This means that the council has effective veto power over Parliament. If it deems that a law passed by Parliament is incompatible with the constitution or sharia, it is referred back to Parliament for revision.
The council also examines presidential and parliamentary candidates to determine their fitness. At times, the council has dramatically winnowed the field of candidates. In the 1997 presidential election, for example, only four out of the 230 declared candidates made it to the ballot.
Saying there are moderate voices when they must all be filtered through a process of religious end of world death cult doesn’t mean much to me.
I do agree the US or Israel do not want a stable Iran. However there will never be any stability under the clerics.
Poetical Poltergeist
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Look man, if your argument is that there is no factionalism of variation within the governmental apparatus of the IRI because the difference between those who want to explicitly pursue a nuclear weapon to eradicate the state of Israel and those who don't is too nuanced for you then I don't think we have much to discuss here.
In my opinion you're drinking heavily from the well of Orientalist propaganda produced by Israel and the United States to paint this complex society and government capable of rational thought as this bestial tribal dictatorship of bearded suicidal Muslims that can't be reasoned with, ergo they must be bombed.
shyt changes every day lol. If nobody paid attention to his ramblings, life would be so much easier. Unfortunately, too much people do care.
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Superstar
These conversations always boil down to chauvinism.
"I know best for these people thousands of miles away from me."
It's armchair quarterbacking for guys who can't even fukking feed the homeless
in their hometown.
Now you're gonna tell a nation of PHDs and Engineers that's managed to build sufficient industry
*outside* of the much larger economy that other nations are partaking in and not only
doing that but *fighting a war and winning* how to "do nation building better".
Put the fries in the bag bro.
"I know best for these people thousands of miles away from me."
It's armchair quarterbacking for guys who can't even fukking feed the homeless
in their hometown.
Now you're gonna tell a nation of PHDs and Engineers that's managed to build sufficient industry
*outside* of the much larger economy that other nations are partaking in and not only
doing that but *fighting a war and winning* how to "do nation building better".
Put the fries in the bag bro.