Official War With Iran Thread

[Hood Critic]

I smell cap.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

There's too much guesstimating and estimating what Kamala Harris or "The dems" would've done.

We saw what she did as people were massacred en masse and children were starved.
As overwhelming amounts of video evidence of Israel's crimes against humanity poured into
our social media feeds.
She's just as culpable as anyone else and would likely tow the line and sell our
asses up shyts creek if she knew it'd advance her political career.
There's no need to defend either president.
Both have total middle east shyt shows on their hands and each have done different
amounts of damage to US Hegemony.

Its absolutely true that they failed by continuing to support Israel unconditionally, especially in the face of the humanitarian catastrophe and genocide against the Palestinians. But claiming we would be in Iran because of those failures isn't support by any real facts when it comes to Iran specifically. Pushing the "both sides" dynamic in this case is lazy, and it dilutes the responsibility of the person who caused this trajectory by tearing up the JCPOA.

 

[mastermind]

He failed to re-establish it because the US and Iran couldn't come to terms on international enrichment verification and how far to roll back sanctions.

Iran was still allowing the International Atomic Energy Agency to monitor their nuclear program until the 12 days war last year from what I understand. It was not to the same levels as before Trump pulled out of it in 2018. From my understanding, Biden Administration wanted US officials to monitor it which is what Iran opposed.

It wasn't to the same leve

He campaigned on it and spent over half of his presidency trying to leverage diplomacy.

This isn't true. THey only really started to find some diplomacy in late 2023. The "leverage diplomacy" was leaving the Trump economic sanctions on the country.

He never threatened or hinted at military action.

Yeah. he just let Israel do it in.

Which leads to what I stated above, she had no reason to deviate from diplomacy.

There wasn't any real diplomacy except for the prisoner swap and the release of some funds.

Sanctions are war, and that is what has destroyed Iran's economy over the last decade.

But going back to what I said prior, the president, VP Harris worked under did not reinstitute the JCPOA. Maybe Kamala may have, but her tone in that statement and the Biden administration's failure to get an agreement back in place doesn't sit well with the "she would have figured it out diplomatically" tone. Especially since she was also cool with letting Israel do what they want.

 

[FAH1223]

TACO Tuesday

 

[Loose]

Its absolutely true that they failed by continuing to support Israel unconditionally, especially in the face of the humanitarian catastrophe and genocide against the Palestinians. But claiming we would be in Iran because of those failures, isn't support by any real facts when it comes to Iran specifically. Pushing the "both sides" dynamic in this case is lazy, and it dilutes the responsibility of the person who caused this trajectory by tearing up the JCPOA.

We generally have no clue where we would be, fod you think a democrat would be facilitating a genocide in Gaza in 2020? I damn sure didn't, i cant speak confidently when it comes to united states foreign relations and Israel right now. I'd say it's less likely

 

[Insensitive]

you sound like a fukking retard

Hamas attacking Israel, and Biden or Harris "not stopping" Israel from retaliating, is not remotely comparable to Trump directing the US military to attack the middle east, in an American war of choice at Israel's behest

You like a fukking retarded tbh.


fukk off.

 

[Insensitive]

So either you’re advocating that she should have resigned from being Vice President, which would clearly take her out of the running to change things OR you’re advocating that she should have had the cabinet invoke the 25th Amendment, which would have been worse than the “there wasn’t a primary” complaint.

But the US, of course, didn’t take direct action against Hamas and instead provided weapons which is unlike this situation. And you know that. But it’s just easier to place anything on the President of the Senate who has no real power or authority to direct the policy of giving weapons to a country.

Do better please. Stop directing your anger at her. Even Palestinians said “Vote for Kamala, it’ll be much better than under Biden. Please.”

But the goalpost always shifts. She’s on record saying she wouldn’t throw Biden under the bus but she’d operate differently. She did as much of the performative stuff as she could that she was told by leftists she needed to do.

But the goalpost always shifts. Anything to blame Dems, and if they aren’t in office or power, they would do the same as Republicans, MAGA, George W., or whomever.

No matter how bad it gets, the goalpost always shifts further away from the playing field.

If you want to blame Gaza on someone who isn’t in power, blame Arafat.

If you want to blame Iran on someone who isn’t in power, blame John Bolton.

They both directed policies and stances that led to both situations.

I'm not advocating for either of those things.

Don't put words in my mouth.
She had a chance to denounce Biden's actions and pushing divesting from Israel.

She didn't.
Because she never would have.

Because:
She believes Israel has a right to exist and defend itself.
She also believes Iran is an enemy.
Stop shooting these people bail, she wouldn't piss on you, if you were on fire.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Psychopaths, genuinely challenging Nazi Germany for most disgustingly evil “nation” in modern history. Zionists are 1000% scum.

They’re far worse than the Germans ever were and that’s really saying something. I’ve never read a story of German civilians back then staging riots to keep prison guards from being charged for the gang rape of a prisoner caught on camera, let alone said guards literally being celebrated on tv and made into minor celebrities. I’ve also never seen photos of German soldiers beating their dikks to the ruins of bombed out neighborhoods or posing in the underwear of women they’ve killed. These freaks publish the evidence of their crimes while grinning from ear to ear like children who’ve been told they can have candy for dinner.

 

[mastermind]

he is a piece of shyt. He and his family. Any Persian you see with his father's flag should get a gob of spit in the face.

 

[Insensitive]

Its absolutely true that they failed by continuing to support Israel unconditionally, especially in the face of the humanitarian catastrophe and genocide against the Palestinians. But claiming we would be in Iran because of those failures, isn't support by any real facts when it comes to Iran specifically. Pushing the "both sides" dynamic in this case is lazy, and it dilutes the responsibility of the person who caused this trajectory by tearing up the JCPOA.

I'm not claiming "we would be in Iran" under the Dems.
What I'm "claiming" isn't they wouldn't have handled the situation any better.
The need for Iran to be in their (previous) place or under our boot was always going to exist because
of the petrodollar.

This is something beyond and above any goofy "Red" or "Blue" antics stateside.
It's about maintaining our hegemony, Israel is a key piece of that strategy.

 

[Loose]

Basically just took Iran's 10 point plan, Iran better restock cause I wouldn't trust trump

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

We generally have no clue where we would be, fod you think a democrat would be facilitating a genocide in Gaza in 2020? I damn sure didn't, i cant speak confidently when it comes to united states foreign relations and Israel right now. I'd say it's less likely

The Presidential Candidates on the Iran Nuclear Deal | Council on Foreign Relations

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Kamala Harris | Council on Foreign Relations

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[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

TACO couldn’t resist one more stock market caper Expect a bump tomorrow morning’s markets and we’ll be right back here in two weeks

I think the people at the table told Washington it was mutually assured destruction across the region and you’d have a better chance swimming across the Strait than getting a ship through if he went through with his plans.

 

[LuuqMaan]

TLR celebrating for no more bloodshed

HL still talking about Biden


@Loose you need to stop getting dragged into Biden consistently.
Let him and Kamala go.

 

[Loose]

TLR celebrating for no more bloodshed

HL still talking about Biden


@Loose you need to stop getting dragged into Biden consistently.
Let him and Kamala go.

Trulyfully i dont like bringing him up cause you end up sounding like a both sides c00n when removing the context, but I'm tired of these fingers in the ear negros still trying to white wash his foreign policy in 2026. I'm trying to rebuild not have a remake. I'm tired of fascist winning