Ok 😒 this “everyone in history that was important was secretly black” stuff got to stop we looking crazy “Columbas was a black moor” 😒

[Ty Daniels]

Considering how quickly you responded, it highly unlikely you actually read the papers and looked at the lectures. And you are to one to call other people dumb? lol

Your question is wrong, because the first humans in Africa weren’t. AMH Anatomical Modern Human beings. You simply don’t understand the science. But I’m willing to publicly make a fool out of you. I’ll gladly do that.

Breh,

The shyt is STUPID, people who CLEARLY are Clueless about this shyt, trying to argue with people who have put DECADES of research into these subjects.

LMAO

 

[Ish Gibor]

Thats cool, it looks like Britain had too many different groups of migrants to pinpoint where the modern population came from.

I'm trying to get a clear picture of the very first wave of people to come out of Africa 60000 years ago and how they initially spread before becoming fully white. Evidence from that time seems sparse.

The diversity is probably due to modern migrants and populations, not the old Mesolithic and Neolithic people.

The confusion started with how you proposed your question, and how asked Gemini the following questions.

I reentered the question, but made some adjustments. I asked about the Mesolithic and Neolithic people.

“This is a great question that touches on some of the most interesting recent findings in ancient genetics and archaeology.

The short answer is no, the Basal Eurasians are not the direct ancestors of the Early European farmers who migrated to Britain. However, Basal Eurasian ancestry is a key component of the genetic makeup of those farmers.

Here's a breakdown of the key populations and their relationships:

* Basal Eurasians: This is a very ancient and distinct lineage of humans. They are thought to have diverged from other Eurasians shortly after the "Out of Africa" migration, and they lived in a region stretching from North Africa to the Middle East, likely in the Arabian Peninsula. Critically, they had very little to no Neanderthal ancestry, unlike other Eurasians, because they had become isolated from the populations that interbred with Neanderthals.

* Early European Farmers (EEFs): The EEFs were a group of people who brought agriculture to Europe from Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) around 7,000 BCE. Genetic studies have shown that they were primarily descended from a population of Anatolian hunter-gatherers, but with a significant admixture of Basal Eurasian ancestry. This Basal Eurasian component had likely mixed into West Eurasian populations in the Middle East long before the farmers began their expansion into Europe.

* British Neolithic People: When agriculture arrived in Britain around 4,000 BCE, it was brought by a new wave of migrants. Genetic evidence shows that these people were overwhelmingly descended from the Early European Farmers who had spread across continental Europe. They largely replaced the existing Mesolithic hunter-gatherer population of Britain.

* British Mesolithic People: These were the hunter-gatherers who inhabited Britain after the last Ice Age. They were part of a wider population of Western European Hunter-Gatherers (WHGs). Genetically, they are distinct from the incoming Neolithic farmers and their Basal Eurasian-influenced ancestry. While there was some intermixing, the genetic evidence points to a significant population replacement.

In summary, the lineage of Early European Farmers who eventually settled in Britain had a key genetic component from Basal Eurasians, who originated in the Middle East. However, the Basal Eurasians themselves are not the farmers; rather, their ancient ancestry was incorporated into the broader West Eurasian population from which the farmers emerged.”

In addition:

"However, the first genomic analysis of Early Neolithic farmers from northwestern Africa (from the site Ifri n’Amr o’Moussa (IAM) in central Morocco) shows no traces of admixture with European Neolithic farmers."

Northwest African Neolithic initiated by migrants from Iberia and Levant - Nature

Genome sequencing of nine individuals shows ancestry shifts in the Neolithization of northwestern Africa that probably mirrored a heterogeneous economic and cultural landscape in a more multifaceted process than observed in other regions.

www.nature.com

 

[360Waves]

FALSE,
- African groups like San, Mbuti, Yoruba, Dinka are genetically closest to the original Anatomically Modern Humans.
Modern Africans share MORE Not Less with the earliest Anatomically Humans than any other group.

- Africans did not diverge from some other group, they ARE THAT Group.

- Modern Africans AKA "Black People" are DIRECT Descendants of the original "Anatomically Modern Humans"



- Evolution is NOT A LADDER "Genius", there are no "UNEvolved Inferior Humans", Retard. Africans CONTAIN THE BULK OF HUMAN GENETIC AND PHENOTYPE DIVERSITY, "Eurasians" AKA "Whites and Asians" LOST genetic Diversity and Phenotypic Diversity.

- "Blackness" is a FUKKING PHENOTYPE, it is NOT GENETICS. There are BLACK EURASIANS, You don't like it? TOO FUKKING BAD. There are Black Africans, and Non-African Blacks, your opinion on it is IRRELEVANT.

- Early Europeans had BOTH Black Skintones and "Black Features", THEY WERE BLACK, you don't like it? TOO FUKKING BAD.

- All Humans come from Black People, that is the SCIENTIFIC REALITY, you don't like it? TOO FUKKING BAD.

---

According to the Resident Retards, this isn't a Black Person, LMAO FUKK OUT OF HERE



ALL 100% GENETICALLY "EURASIAN", ZERO AFRICAN ANCESTRY, JUST LIKE "CHEDDAR MAN"

MORE "NON BLACK PEOPLE" ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENT RETARDS

You’re literally proving my point with your own arguments brother.

Modern black people are genetically closest to original man but they ARENT the same. They’re categorically different. You even said it your damn self.

This is not hard to understand. We don’t all descend from black people. We descend all from a group of humans (and other human-like species that pre date Homo sapiens) which happened to be dark skinned. Hominid ancestors that predate Homo sapiens were actually physically more similar to monkeys, furry with WHITE skin underneath. So then would we say we actually all descended from white people?

 

[Ty Daniels]

You’re literally proving my point with your own arguments brother.

Modern black people are genetically closest to original man but they ARENT the same. They’re categorically different. You even said it your damn self.

This is not hard to understand. We don’t all descend from black people. We descend all from a group of humans (and other human-like species that pre date Homo sapiens) which happened to be dark skinned. Hominid ancestors that predate Homo sapiens were actually physically more similar to monkeys, furry with WHITE skin underneath. So then would we say we actually all descended from white people?

YOU ARE STILL WRONG

You are CLEARLY CLUELESS

What DOES AMH stand for, what does it mean?
And DON'T CHATGPT IT, show me you at least know the basics. SMH



And also I've mentioned "Black Eurasians" in this thread so many damn times, I lost count. I even outlined when "Eurasians" supposedly "Split From Africans", which HAPPENED Up to 20,000 years AFTER "Out Of Africa", meaning that for at least the first 20,000 years out of Africa, ALL HUMANS WERE JUST GENETICALLY and Phenotypically African.

The resulting "Eurasians" were Black, literally the ancestors of Modern "Black Eurasians" (and ALL NON-Africans).

YOU are NOT "Teaching" me any anything, I've been study this shyt for 30+ FUKKIN Years

A person who thinks that "Evolution is a Ladder", can't teach me a GOT-DAMN Thing.

 

[Ish Gibor]

You’re literally proving my point with your own arguments brother.

Modern black people are genetically closest to original man but they ARENT the same. They’re categorically different. You even said it your damn self.

This is not hard to understand. We don’t all descend from black people. We descend all from a group of humans (and other human-like species that pre date Homo sapiens) which happened to be dark skinned. Hominid ancestors that predate Homo sapiens were actually physically more similar to monkeys, furry with WHITE skin underneath. So then would we say we actually all descended from white people?

I continued and proposed the Albert Perry A00 and Homo Sapiens, to Al Gemini.

Here is the response:

“The discovery of Haplogroup A00, a unique Y-chromosome lineage, through the genetic analysis of a descendant of an African American man named Albert Perry, was a groundbreaking moment in the study of human evolution. This finding profoundly reshaped our understanding of the timeline and genetic diversity of our species, Homo sapiens.

To properly understand its significance, it's helpful to define two key terms. A Y-chromosome haplogroup is a major branch on the human paternal family tree, defined by a specific set of genetic mutations.

By comparing these mutations across living men, scientists can construct a phylogenetic tree to trace our ancestry back to a single common paternal ancestor, often referred to as "Y-chromosomal Adam." Homo sapiens, on the other hand, is the scientific name for the species to which all modern humans belong, with the earliest known anatomically modern fossils dating back over 300,000 years.

In 2013, researchers announced the discovery of a previously unknown Y-chromosome haplogroup. This lineage, designated A00, was found to be the most genetically distinct branch on the entire human Y-chromosome tree. It represented a line of descent that had split off from all other known human male lineages at a very early stage. The initial dating of this split, based on a molecular clock model, suggested an incredibly ancient age of around 338,000 years.

This initial age estimate caused considerable debate within the scientific community because it was significantly older than the age of most of the earliest anatomically modern Homo sapiens fossils known at the time. This presented a puzzle: how could a human Y-chromosome lineage exist before the species itself was thought to have emerged? This led to speculation about a more ancient origin for Homo sapiens or even the possibility of interbreeding with a now-extinct archaic hominin species.

However, a subsequent re-analysis of the data by another team of scientists led to a more refined understanding. By correcting for methodological issues in the initial study, they revised the age of the A00 lineage to be approximately 208,300 years ago. This new dating was a critical adjustment, as it aligned much better with the fossil record of early Homo sapiens and with the age of "Y-chromosomal Adam" estimated by other studies.

The revised dating of Haplogroup A00, found to be a particularly ancient and basal branch, ultimately reinforced the out-of-Africa theory of human origins. It confirmed that the most diverse and deepest paternal lineages are found within Africa, supporting the continent as the cradle of humanity. Furthermore, the discovery of this extremely rare lineage in a modern population (and later traced to the Mbo people of Cameroon) demonstrated just how much genetic diversity from our early past is still present today. It also highlighted the importance of continued genetic research to accurately piece together the story of our collective ancestry.”

 

[Ish Gibor]

YOU ARE STILL WRONG

You are CLEARLY CLUELESS

What DOES AMH stand for, what does it mean?
And DON'T CHATGPT IT, show me you at least know the basics. SMH



And also I've mentioned "Black Eurasians" in this thread so many damn times, I lost count. I even outlined when "Eurasians" supposedly "Split From Africans", which HAPPENED Up to 20,000 years AFTER "Out Of Africa", meaning that for at least the first 20,000 years out of Africa, ALL HUMANS WERE JUST GENETICALLY and Phenotypically African.

The resulting "Eurasians" were Black, literally the ancestors of Modern "Black Eurasians" (and ALL NON-Africans).

YOU are NOT "Teaching" me any anything, I've been study this shyt for 30+ FUKKIN Years

A person who thinks that "Evolution is a Ladder", can't teach me a GOT-DAMN Thing.

This should wrap it up.


"According to the current data East Africa is home to nearly 2/3 of the world genetic diversity independent of sampling effect. Similar figure have been suggested for sub-Saharan Africa populations [1].

The antiquity of the east African gene pool could be viewed not only from the perspective of the amount of genetic diversity endowed within it but also by signals of uni-modal distribution in their mitochondrial DNA (Hassan et al., unpublished) usually taken as an indication of populations that have passed through ‘‘recent’’ demographic expansion [33], although in this case, may in fact be considered a sign of extended shared history of in situ evolution where alleles are exchanged between neighboring demes [34].

Figure S1 Neighbor joining (NJ). NJ tree of the world populations based on MT-CO2 sequences. The evolutionary relationship of 171 sequences and evolutionary history was inferred using the Neighbor-Joining method. The optimal tree with the sum of branch length = 0.20401570 is shown. The evolutionary distances were computed using the Maximum Composite Likelihood method and are in the units of the number of base substitutions per site. Codon positions included were 1st+2nd+3rd+Noncoding. All positions containing gaps and missing data were eliminated from the dataset. There were a total of 543 positions in the final dataset. Phylogenetic analyses were conducted in MEGA4. Red dots: east Africa, Blue: Africa, Green: Asia, Yellow: Australia, Pink: Europe and gray: America. (TIF)

Figure S2 Multidimensional Scaling Plot (MDS). The 2nd and 3rd coordinates of an MDS plot of 848 nuclear microsatellite loci from 469 individuals of 24 world populations. MDS uses pairwise IBS data based on the 848 loci generated by PLINK software and plotted using R version 2.15.0. The figure, besides a separate clustering of east Africans, indicates the substantial contribution of Africans and east Africans to the founding of populations of Europe and Asia.


(TIF)

Figure S3 Multidimensional Scaling Plot (MDS). The 3rd and 4th coordinates of an MDS plot of 848 Microsatellite loci, across the human genome in 469 individuals from 24 populations from Africa, Asia and Europe. MDS uses pairwise IBS data based on the 848 loci generated by PLINK software and plotted using R version 2.15.0. The central position of east Africans and some other Africans emphasizes the founding role of east African gene pool and the disparate alignment on coordinates along which the world populations were founded including populations of Aftica aligning along the 4th dimension.

(TIF)

Figure 4. Multidimensional Scaling Plot (MDS). A. First and second coordinates of an MDS plot of 848 Microsatellite Marshfield data set across the human genome for 24 populations from Africa, Asia and Europe. MDS plot was constructed from pairwise differences FST generated by Arlequin program (Table S3). B. First and second coordinates of an MDS plot of 848 Microsatellite loci, across the human genome in 469 individuals from 24 populations from Africa, Asia and Europe. MDS uses pairwise IBS data based on the 848 loci generated by PLINK software and plotted using R version 2.15.0. East Africans cluster to the left of the plot, while Beja (red cluster in the middle), assumes intermediate position. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0097674.g004

Figure S4 Multidimensional Scaling Plot (MDS). First and second coordinates of an MDS plot based on MT-CO2 data set constructed from pairwise differences FST generated by Arlequin v3.11. Population code as follows: Nara: Nar, Kunama (Kun), Hidarb (Hid), Afar (Afa), Saho (Sah), Bilen (Bil), Tigre (Tgr), Tigrigna (Tig), Rashaida (Rsh), Nilotics (Nil), Beja (Bej), Ethiopians(Eth), Egyptians (Egy), Moroccans (Mor), Southern Africans (Sth), Pygmy (Pyg), Saudi Arabia (Sdi), Asia (Asi), Europe (Eur), Native Americans (NA), Australians (Ast), Nubians (Nub), Nuba (Nba)"

(TIF)
(Ibril Hirbo, Sara Tishkoff et al., The Episode of Genetic Drift Defining the Migration of Humans out of Africa Is Derived from a Large East African Population Size)

PLoS One. 2014; 9(5): 7674, Published online 2014 May 20. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0097674

https://medsites.vumc.org/vanderbiltgeneticsinstitute/person/jibril-hirbo

 

[Geordi]

The diversity is probably due to modern migrants and populations, not the old Mesolithic and Neolithic people.

The confusion started with how you proposed your question, and how asked Gemini the following questions.

I reentered the question, but made some adjustments. I asked about the Mesolithic and Neolithic people.

“This is a great question that touches on some of the most interesting recent findings in ancient genetics and archaeology.

The short answer is no, the Basal Eurasians are not the direct ancestors of the Early European farmers who migrated to Britain. However, Basal Eurasian ancestry is a key component of the genetic makeup of those farmers.

Here's a breakdown of the key populations and their relationships:

* Basal Eurasians: This is a very ancient and distinct lineage of humans. They are thought to have diverged from other Eurasians shortly after the "Out of Africa" migration, and they lived in a region stretching from North Africa to the Middle East, likely in the Arabian Peninsula. Critically, they had very little to no Neanderthal ancestry, unlike other Eurasians, because they had become isolated from the populations that interbred with Neanderthals.

* Early European Farmers (EEFs): The EEFs were a group of people who brought agriculture to Europe from Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) around 7,000 BCE. Genetic studies have shown that they were primarily descended from a population of Anatolian hunter-gatherers, but with a significant admixture of Basal Eurasian ancestry. This Basal Eurasian component had likely mixed into West Eurasian populations in the Middle East long before the farmers began their expansion into Europe.

* British Neolithic People: When agriculture arrived in Britain around 4,000 BCE, it was brought by a new wave of migrants. Genetic evidence shows that these people were overwhelmingly descended from the Early European Farmers who had spread across continental Europe. They largely replaced the existing Mesolithic hunter-gatherer population of Britain.

* British Mesolithic People: These were the hunter-gatherers who inhabited Britain after the last Ice Age. They were part of a wider population of Western European Hunter-Gatherers (WHGs). Genetically, they are distinct from the incoming Neolithic farmers and their Basal Eurasian-influenced ancestry. While there was some intermixing, the genetic evidence points to a significant population replacement.

In summary, the lineage of Early European Farmers who eventually settled in Britain had a key genetic component from Basal Eurasians, who originated in the Middle East. However, the Basal Eurasians themselves are not the farmers; rather, their ancient ancestry was incorporated into the broader West Eurasian population from which the farmers emerged.”

I just read that ancient Basal Eurasians are most closely related to modern Yemenis

Yemenis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yemen, located in the southwestern corner of the Arabian Peninsula, serves as a crossroads between Africa and Eurasia. The genomes of present-day Yemenis provide insights into the region's complex history, as DNA can reveal patterns of human migration and interaction over millennia. Despite its historical significance, Yemeni populations have been underrepresented in genetic studies until recent years. Researchers have posed several questions about Yemen's genetic history, including whether its populations retain genetic traces of the first Out-of-Africa migrations, how subsequent population movements have influenced its gene pool, and the relative contributions of ancient (Pleistocene) versus recent (Holocene) population events.

Is this similar to what the first out of Africa people looked like after a while?

 

[Ty Daniels]

This should wrap it up.

It "Should" but it won't, LMAO.

We are dealing with people who Clearly Lack Intellectual Integrity (and Knowledge).

The Claim that "Black People Didn't Populate The World", or "They were Dark Skinned, Not Black".

OR "Cheddar Man Wasn't Black" should have been put to rest.
Many posts ago I listed his Tropical Body and Cranial-Facial features.

I then showed MULTIPLE photos of modern Phenotypically Black "Eurasians", that could blend in with damn near any Black population in the world.

Even people from Andaman Islands, people who Cranial-Facially, would be similar to "Cheddar Man".
Do the Intellectually Challenged, admit defeat?

NOPE, they want to argue some more, SMH.



Keep in mind, EVERY SINGLE ONE of those "Black Eurasians" I posted, descend FROM the Black Eurasian populations that, developed in "Eurasia" from the original Black African "Out Of Africa" Population(s).

Validating what we been saying, but people still what to argue, SMH

Shyt is stupid.


Any Reasonably, Knowledgeable person, would have said, "Ok My Bad", and went about their way.

Not them, Nope they want to "Argue" about it and gaslight like we are the ones confused SMH.

Never in my life would I have thought that I would be arguing with supposed other "Black People" about the origins of humanity?
Shyt is stupid.

 

[Ish Gibor]

I just read that ancient Basal Eurasians are most closely related to modern Yemenis

Yemenis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Is this similar to what the first out of Africa people looked like after a while?

That source is not up to date, but yes, The Soqotra are a suggested basal group.

“In comparison with datasets from neighboring regions, the Soqotri population shows evidence of long-term isolation and autochthonous evolution of several mitochondrial haplogroups.”
[…]
The majority of NRY haplotypes in Soqotra belong to haplogroup J (85.7%)“

(Viktor Černý Out of Arabia—The Settlement of Island Soqotra as Revealed by Mitochondrial and Y Chromosome Genetic Diversity)


“African and Middle Eastern populations shared the greatest number of alleles absent from all other populations (fig. S6B).”
[…]
“Eastern and Saharan Africans shared the most alleles absent from other African populations examined”

(Sarah A. Tishkoff, The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans)


Now the above starts to make sense.

Post in thread 'Faces of Ancient Egypt'
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/faces-of-ancient-egypt.482091/post-56282992

Post in thread 'Faces of Ancient Egypt'
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/faces-of-ancient-egypt.482091/post-56283044

“At the mtDNA level, both Takarkori individuals belong to a basal branch of haplogroup N, representing one of the deepest mtDNA lineages outside sub-Saharan Africa and predating present-day N-derived mtDNAs. Using BEAST analysis for mtDNA dating, which included additional sequences from Upper Palaeolithic individuals and the dataset described previously13, we corroborate the previous findings of ref. 13 that the Takarkori individuals carried a basal N haplogroup lineage13, and refined the molecular split date estimate to 61,343 years old (95% highest posterior density (HPD) = 54,408–69,046) (Extended Data Fig. 6). Notably, the mtDNA lineage of the Oase 1 individual falls more basal to haplogroup N, suggesting an earlier split from the OoA lineage before the divergence of the Takarkori lineage. However, owing to incomplete lineage sorting and mtDNA representing a single lineage, the exact timing of the underlying population splits remains uncertain.”

Ancient DNA from the Green Sahara reveals ancestral North African lineage - Nature

Pastoralism spread through cultural diffusion into the Green Sahara, where an isolated, distinct North African ancestry persisted.

www.nature.com

"In particular, the Tuareg have 50% to 80% of their paternal lineages E1b1b1b-M81 [34], [35]. The Tuareg are seminomadic pastoralist groups that are mostly spread between Libya, Algeria, Mali, and Niger. They speak a Berber language and are believed to be the descendents of the Garamantes people of Fezzan, Libya (500 BC - 700 CE) [34]."

Genome-Wide and Paternal Diversity Reveal a Recent Origin of Human Populations in North Africa - PMC

The geostrategic location of North Africa as a crossroad between three continents and as a stepping-stone outside Africa has evoked anthropological and genetic interest in this region. Numerous studies have described the genetic landscape of the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Marta Mirazón Lahr conducted research on skeletons from Fezzan dating to the Roman era and found that the skeletons most closely matched Neolithic sub-saharan African samples, from Chad, Mali, and Niger. Lahr associates these remains with the Garamantes, and concludes that the Garamantes had connections with both sub-saharan and northern Africa."

Human Skeletal Remains, Fazzan, Libya

Human Skeletal Remains, Fazzan, Libya

academia.edu

 

[Ish Gibor]

@Ish Gibor @Dzali OG care to share what you guys found humorous about my post?

I was on NYTN her channel years ago, when her channel was very small. We even “joked” around, saying: had she said the things she’s saying now 50 years ago. They would have grabbed her and hung from a tree. She’s responded, yeah probably….

Here a professor in genetics explains her genetic pool.




I spoke of her here, in 2023.

Post in thread 'Black family in Georgia passed down a song through the centuries after slavery. Researchers linked song to Mende tribe in West Africa.'
https://www.thecoli.com/threads/bla...nde-tribe-in-west-africa.978986/post-49724248


The irony in your post is that you don’t recognize her talking about her African ancestry.

She’s being attacked from all sides.



She’s makes interesting content.







This is some of her best work:

 

[Chelsea Bridge]

Well white people did that first Claiming everyone important in history was white.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Well white people did that first Claiming everyone important in history was white.

Yeah, and it’s regarded as pseudoscience. Although some make their way into real science and try to force the Eurocentric idea as real. It’s an ongoing battle with them. And let’s not forget Asiacentrism and Arabicentrism who try to claim ancient Egypt. There are even Asian from the far east who claim to be the original Hebrews. lol

Eurocentrism

Eurocentrism is thoughts or practices privileging European identity, culture, and historical events over those of other regions. Implicit in Eurocentric practice is the claim that European culture and peoples are superior to those of other continents. Flamingly evident in the "Great Books"...

rationalwiki.org

“UNBOXED: The World Beyond the West & the Problem of Eurocentrism”





The first generation Afrocentrics had good intentions and put Black peoples history first. At some point some individuals started to slip in, and took it to extremes. And people nowadays confuse these extremists for Africanist. Afrocentrism is part of the field Africana studies.

Fake scholarship with a fake degree, scamming the Black Community.

Ali Muhammad On Sa Neter Sleight Of Hand Scholarship​

The Aboriginal American online community has lost their minds!! They are on a heavy misinformation campaign to confuse our people.

 

[Ish Gibor]

It "Should" but it won't, LMAO.

We are dealing with people who Clearly Lack Intellectual Integrity (and Knowledge).

The Claim that "Black People Didn't Populate The World", or "They were Dark Skinned, Not Black".

OR "Cheddar Man Wasn't Black" should have been put to rest.
Many posts ago I listed his Tropical Body and Cranial-Facial features.

I then showed MULTIPLE photos of modern Phenotypically Black "Eurasians", that could blend in with damn near any Black population in the world.

Even people from Andaman Islands, people who Cranial-Facially, would be similar to "Cheddar Man".
Do the Intellectually Challenged, admit defeat?

NOPE, they want to argue some more, SMH.



Keep in mind, EVERY SINGLE ONE of those "Black Eurasians" I posted, descend FROM the Black Eurasian populations that, developed in "Eurasia" from the original Black African "Out Of Africa" Population(s).

Validating what we been saying, but people still what to argue, SMH

Shyt is stupid.


Any Reasonably, Knowledgeable person, would have said, "Ok My Bad", and went about their way.

Not them, Nope they want to "Argue" about it and gaslight like we are the ones confused SMH.

Never in my life would I have thought that I would be arguing with supposed other "Black People" about the origins of humanity?
Shyt is stupid.

Here is more…,

"IAM people did not possess any of the European SNPs associated with light pigmentation, and most likely had dark skin and eyes. IAM samples contain ancestral alleles for pigmentation-associated variants present in SLC24A5 (rs1426654), SLC45A2(rs16891982), and OCA2 (rs1800401 and 12913832) genes.On the other hand, KEB individuals exhibit some European-derived alleles that predispose individuals to lighter skin and eye color, including those on genes SLC24A5 (rs1426654) and OCA2 (rs1800401) (SI Appendix, Supplementary Note 11)."

Ancient genomes from North Africa evidence prehistoric migrations to the Maghreb from both the Levant and Europe - PMC

The acquisition of agricultural techniques during the so-called Neolithic revolution has been one of the major steps forward in human history. Using next-generation sequencing and ancient-DNA techniques, we directly test whether Neolithization in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“As we'll see, other genetic data corroborates the mitochondrial results, placing the root of the human family tree - our most recent common ancestor- in Africa within the past few hundred thousand years. Consistent with this result, all of the genetic data shows the greatest number of polymorphisms in Africa - there is simply far more variation in that continent than anywhere else. You are more likely to sample extremely divergent genetic lineages within a single African village than you are in whole of the rest of the world. The majority of the genetic polymorphisms found in our species are found uniquely in Africans - Europeans, Asians and Native Americans carry only a small sample of the extraordinary diversity that can be found in any African village.

Why does diversity indicate greater age? Thinking back to our hypothetical Provencal village, why do the bouillabaisse recipes change? Because in each generation, a daughter decides to modify her soup in a minor way. Over time, these small variations add up to an extraordinary amount of diversity in the village's kitchens. And - critically - the longer the village has been accumulating these changes, the more diverse it is. It is like a clock, ticking away in units of rosemary and thyme - the longer it has been ticking, the more differences we see. It is the same phenomenon Emile Zuckerkandl noted in his proteins - more time equals more change. So, when we see greater genetic diversity in a particular population, we can infer that the population is older - and this makes Africa the oldest of all.”

(Dr Spencer Wells, 2004, The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey, p 39.)


“Africa not only has the highest levels of human genetic variation in the world but also contains a considerable amount of linguistic, environmental and cultural diversity. For example, more than 2,000 distinct ethno-linguistic groups, representing nearly a third of the world’s languages, currently exist in Africa”

The Evolution of Human Genetic and Phenotypic Variation in Africa - PMC

Africa is the birthplace of modern humans, and is the source of the geographic expansion of ancestral populations into other regions of the world. Indigenous Africans are characterized by high levels of genetic diversity within and between ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Colored dots indicate genetic diversity. Each new group outside of Africa represents a sampling of the genetic diversity present in its founder population. The ancestral population in Africa was sufficiently large to build up and retain substantial genetic diversity."

The great human expansion - PubMed

Genetic and paleoanthropological evidence is in accord that today's human population is the result of a great demic (demographic and geographic) expansion that began approximately 45,000 to 60,000 y ago in Africa and rapidly resulted in human occupation of almost all of the Earth's habitable...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1212380109

 

[Dzali OG]

I think the convo strayed from the original premise: the issue with some black people providing misinformation and revisionist history. Columbus = black? King James black? Indians in America black?

The stance usually held by flaming pseudis who don't accept evolution or dna. People who think people popped out the ground like cabbage patch kids. People who think there are black Indians who have west African phenotype...but have no ancestry in Africa as if they're a different species.

I think we're also talking past each other with the term black. Some people are fine including anyone darker than a banana as being black. They classify populations of mulatto like many Puerto Ricans as black. Of course in some conversations it's warranted but not in others.

 

[Ish Gibor]

I think the convo strayed from the original premise: the issue with some black people providing misinformation and revisionist history. Columbus = black? King James black? Indians in America black?

The stance usually held by flaming pseudis who don't accept evolution or dna. People who think people popped out the ground like cabbage patch kids. People who think there are black Indians who have west African phenotype...but have no ancestry in Africa as if they're a different species.

I think we're also talking past each other with the term black. Some people are fine including anyone darker than a banana as being black. They classify populations of mulatto like many Puerto Ricans as black. Of course in some conversations it's warranted but not in others.

Some PR’s are Black, it’s not all. In fact the first enslaved Africans were deported to PR, DR and Cuba. And shorty thereafter North America to what now is the USA.

“During the early 1520s, 30 years after Christopher Columbus first arrived in the Americas. the Spanish controlled the island of Hispaniola, which is now the nations of Haiti and the Dominican Republic. After subduing the local Indians, the Spanish imported African slaves.”

The 1521 Santo Domingo Slave Revolt

The 1521 Santo Domingo Slave Revolt occurred in the Spanish colony of Santo Domingo on the island of Hispaniola during that year’s Christmas festivities. It is the earliest recorded slave revolt in the Americas. Just days after the revolt occurred, a new set of laws were created to prevent...

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Juan Garrido (c. 1480-c.1550)

Born around 1480 in West Africa, Juan Garrido is the most prominent among the small group of African freemen who traveled to the Americas to take part in the Spanish conquest of the West Indies and Mexico in the late 15th and early 16th Centuries. He later became an agricultural innovator and...

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1513​	​	The first record of slavery in Cuba. Landowner Amador de Lares gets permission to bring four African slaves from Hispaniola.
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1514​	​	Pánfilo de Narváez establishes the city of Havana, named after a local chief, San Cristóbal de Habana.
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1517- 1726​	​	More kidnapped Africans arrive. The first larger group of slaves (300) arrive in Cuba in 1520.
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1519​	​	The first Catholic mass is celebrated in Havana, under a Ceiba tree.
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1520​	​	Seven years after the first small group of African slaves were kidnapped into Cuba, the first large group of African slaves, 300 total, are brought to work the gold mines.
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1526​	​	Cedula real (royal writ) establishing the right for a slave to purchase their own freedom.
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1533​	​	First documented slave uprising: four slaves from the Jobabo mines fight to their death with Spanish soldiers. To reduce colonists' fears, their heads are removed and put on display in Bayamo.

AfroCuban History: a Time Line

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Ai Gemini:

“The history of enslaved Africans in North America began with Spanish and Portuguese colonization. While the arrival of enslaved Africans in Jamestown, Virginia in 1619 is a commonly cited milestone, it was not the beginning of the transatlantic slave trade or the presence of enslaved Africans in the Americas.

Here is a timeline of the early involvement of Spain and Portugal:

* 1502: Spanish conquistadors began to transport enslaved Africans to the Caribbean.

* 1526: A Spanish expedition to establish a colony in what is now South Carolina included enslaved Africans. These Africans rebelled, preventing the Spanish from establishing the settlement. This is considered the first documented instance of enslaved Africans in what would become the continental United States.

* 1565: The Spanish brought enslaved Africans to St. Augustine, Florida, the first permanent European settlement in the continental United States.

It is important to note that Portugal was the dominant force in the early transatlantic slave trade, and both Spain and Portugal were responsible for trafficking the vast majority of enslaved Africans to the Americas in the 16th and early 17th centuries.”



And the above brings is right back to the initial argument of Columbus.