Old Heads Messing Up The Mixtape Game

[Loud Still Coolin]

lord finesse is demonic

 

[William Bassington]

if yall talkin about how Finesse didn't clear the sample, you just don't respect hip-hop. straight up

Finesse put in work to flip the sample and have it come out like that. Mac Miller just took what Finesse made. not a piece of it. the whole thing

in hip-hop I think the priority should always be about respect. if you wanna use something, you try to get blessings. if you don't get those blessings, don't use it

I hate how yall try to spin it like Mac "took" the beat, nah he rapped on it just like every other rapper raps on beats that arent theirs...its hip-hop

what about Wayne's mixtapes?....where was the backlash?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

They only sued Mac cause hes a swagless _ _ _ just milking the old

 

[thegreatest]

Let me ask you something then. Unless a rapper can produce, rap, record, and then mix his own music (which artists these days should strive to do at least 2 out of the 4)... how do you think a rapper pays for the studio sessions or the beats he uses?

I'm not being funny, that's a serious question.

A rapper should be able to do at least 2 of those, or be in a situation like Drake where he has a dedicated producer helping out, at least part-time.

HOWEVER

Paying someone for production/studio time/mixing is pretty much a bare necessity, costs you can't avoid. Those costs do not justify having to pay for samples used on free mixtapes.

I do see where you're coming from, I really do. I think the truth is somewhere in-between. It's not exactly fair for the artists who's music is being used to get nothing off it; true.

But forcing rookie artists to clear mixtapes as if they were albums will hurt rap A LOT. As a fan, I don't want that to happen.



P.S. fukk mac miller, dude gives us cac rap fans a bad image

 

[daze23]

The problem is that Mac Miller was not famous when the song dropped. He was basically unknown, it was his first tape that mad any type of noise.
I don't think he knew that in the coming months that mixtape would make him a rap/pop star or whatever.

dude made a video and shyt. and it wasn't no bo-bo camera phone video

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I feel bad cause theres legit white fans and rappers

But dude is like 1 step above Beiber, as far as respect for the culture

These kids just want to be the center of attn, they dont care about the art form or the history

 

[daze23]

I hate how yall try to spin it like Mac "took" the beat, nah he rapped on it just like every other rapper raps on beats that arent theirs...its hip-hop

what about Wayne's mixtapes?....where was the backlash?

with other situations, you don't know who got blessings to use the tracks

none of that shyt matters cause it's just an appeal to consistency. if other cats don't care who uses their beats (or they don't wanna complain, because of fear of being 'blacklisted' or whatever), that doesn't mean Finesse doesn't have to care

 

[Harry B]

dude made a video and shyt. and it wasn't no bo-bo camera phone video

Yes I know, Rostrum invested in the video.
This time the Jews underrated the Jewishness of hiphop artists. As far as people calling out Finesse for not clearing the sample himself, is just people calling out hypocrisy. And if anything, the Jews might have a few aces up their sleeves based on the fact that he stole a " stolen" beat. This lawsuit will in any event decide the fate of the mixtape game. But again, Mac was wrong for mastering the joint, making a video and all that. Rostrum should've have foreseen that he could blow up of that mixtape.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

if yall talkin about how Finesse didn't clear the sample, you just don't respect hip-hop. straight up

Finesse put in work to flip the sample and have it come out like that. Mac Miller just took what Finesse made. not a piece of it. the whole thing

in hip-hop I think the priority should always be about respect. if you wanna use something, you try to get blessings. if you don't get those blessings, don't use it

Biggest piece of shyt, excessively parsed argument maybe ever in the history of bullshyt arguments...to split hairs any finer, you'd need some kind of mircoscope that magnifies to the atomic level

"Bu bu bu but when Finesse originally stole the music and DIRECTLY gained financially from it without permission and without giving the actual people that composed and played the music a single cent...it was okay because he added a lil drum pattern to it"



Either it's wrong to use people's music without paying them or clearing it from them, or it's not

Not only is what Finesse did essentially the same exact thing, it's worse because of the shameless hypocrisy involved considering he's from within hip hop culture himself...and if we're talking hip hop and you're talking about about how it's wrong for cats to freestyle over beats on free mixtapes, you don't respect hip hop. straight up...see how that works

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y2q1-Stpws"]DEFENDING DAN BULL AND MAC MILLER| Dan Bull and the people vs Lord Finesse and censorship - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mask and Da Glock]

with other situations, you don't know who got blessings to use the tracks

none of that shyt matters cause it's just an appeal to consistency. if other cats don't care who uses their beats (or they don't wanna complain, because of fear of being 'blacklisted' or whatever), that doesn't mean Finesse doesn't have to care

I'm sure lil wayne got permission to rap over "rolling in the deep" by the highest grossing artist and song of 2011...

 

[MightyHealthy]

oh word, there's nothing to respect about Lord Finesse?

I'm not ignorant to his relevance, but trying to fukk up the mixtape game is a great way to lose all my respect.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

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dark days are upon us friends. we've been eating good for too long. now these old nikkas dont like it

young nikkas r scary...

old heads saw wha happen to de-la soul...n did they stop..nope..

scary ass young nikkas..

u gotta spend money to make money

 

[Tuc2DaBoot]

A rapper should be able to do at least 2 of those, or be in a situation like Drake where he has a dedicated producer helping out, at least part-time.

HOWEVER

Paying someone for production/studio time/mixing is pretty much a bare necessity, costs you can't avoid. Those costs do not justify having to pay for samples used on free mixtapes.

I do see where you're coming from, I really do. I think the truth is somewhere in-between. It's not exactly fair for the artists who's music is being used to get nothing off it; true.

But forcing rookie artists to clear mixtapes as if they were albums will hurt rap A LOT. As a fan, I don't want that to happen.



P.S. fukk mac miller, dude gives us cac rap fans a bad image

The issue is free mixtapes as is are a cheap way to stay relevant. And what is the problem with giving props to the people who made/flipped the samples? That's an issue as well. The mixtapes are just free to consumers. They are not free to everyone involved and rappers are making good money from doing it...

Money that shouldn't just all to them b/c they rapped on those beats.

 

[HoLLaBaCK]

I cant call it. If Mac & LF spoke and Mac agreed to give dude credit and reneged then he gets what he deserves.

Just spitting on a beat for a tape is one thing...making a video for it and basically promoting it like a single is a whole other thing.

On one hand I dont fukk with the lawsuit cuz where does it end? Will rappers not be able to freestyle to a beat on the radio? Will every person that spit on a beat for their tape get sued?

On the other hand if it's a matter of principle and LF & Mac came to some sort of agreement and Mac is playing games just thinking he can do what he wants then that fukked up.

 

[William Bassington]

with other situations, you don't know who got blessings to use the tracks

none of that shyt matters cause it's just an appeal to consistency. if other cats don't care who uses their beats (or they don't wanna complain, because of fear of being 'blacklisted' or whatever), that doesn't mean Finesse doesn't have to care

who blessed this?