Old Heads Messing Up The Mixtape Game

[daze23]

Biggest piece of shyt, excessively parsing argument maybe ever in the history of bullshyt arguments...to split hairs any finer, you'd need some kind of mircoscope that magnifies to the atomic level

"Bu bu bu but when Finesse originally stole the music and directly gained financially from it without permission and without giving the actual people that composed and played the music a single cent...it was okay because he added a lil drum pattern to it"



Either it's wrong to use people's music without paying them or clearing it from them, or it's not

Not only is what Finesse did essentially the same exact thing, it's worse because of the shameless hypocrisy involved considering he's from within hip hop culture himself...and if we're talking hip hop and you're talking about about how it's wrong for cats to freestyle over beats on free mixtapes, you don't respect hip hop. straight up...see how that works

Oscar Peterson Thing (Dan Bull, Mac Miller and Lord Finesse) - YouTube

yeah, well if Miller had just used the same sample we wouldn't be here. it would be like the Lupe situation, where Pete's just hurt, but can't do anything about it. but that's not what happened, and here we are

both situations are wack to me, because like I said, I think it's all about respect. I'm sure many of us would like it if Finesses handled this one some 'street shyt'. but then people would call him stupid when he ended up in jail. so the next best thing is to try to do things the 'legal' way

yall just want Finesse to sit down and take an L, but he ain't havin that

 

[Mask and Da Glock]

he's not white it's cool will


ignored my freddie gibbs going over '93 til infinity like the plague, hell the mixtape cover was miseducation of lauryn hill with his face etched into the desk instead of hers...give it up this arguement is no longer about what it should be about it's about a "swagless jew" "disrespecting hip-hop".

What I don't get it how do you people not realize IT WILL NOT END WITH RAPPING OVER OTHER PEOPLE'S BEATS. THIS IS GETTING SAMPLE CLEARANCE ON A FREE TAPE. TO SAMPLE ANYTHING, NOT JUST SOMEONE ELSES BEAT. Using samples that could never get cleared no matter how much money is thrown at the owner of the og music. This is an affront on hip-hop musically: if you can't do it legally fukk it do it anyway you can.

 

[Harry B]

In the end it's too many opinions, I don't think any of us really know what exactly went down. I'm just mad that cats are afraid to drop mixtapes. I could give 2 fukks about the jews over a Rostrum losing millions or someone jacking a washed up rappers beats.

Both are irrelevant to me and probably most cats in this thread, but somehow the most relevant cats in the mixtape game right now

 

[shopthatwrecks]

all the essays nikkas writin its not needed..


these young nikkas jus aint got the nuts...to continue wha they doin

how another nikka gone stop ya paper route...kuz u scared of bein sued...fukk them nikkas..

nikka u buyin exotic cars..smokin exotic..trickin off exotic hoes..

but u scared of old nikkas who sampled other nikkas

 

[blackwaterpark]

The problem is that Mac Miller was not famous when the song dropped. He was basically unknown, it was his first tape that made any type of noise.
I don't think he knew that in the coming months that mixtape would make him a rap/pop star or whatever and neither did Rostrum. So it was a mistake from Rostrum to think that a certain rapper wouldn't sue you for 10 million cause some rapper used your song for his mixtape cause he loves Finesse.

he was on mtv.
the fukk you talking about? he had money behind him. he wasnt some dude rapping on youtube making videos on his iphone.

and lets not front. im sick of this "he loves finesse" shyt. i guarantee you he doesnt love finesse like that. the whole "real hip hop" shyt is just a big a gimmick as the ignorant hood thing. real recognize real and this dude is see through.

 

[Tuc2DaBoot]

I feel bad cause theres legit white fans and rappers

But dude is like 1 step above Beiber, as far as respect for the culture

These kids just want to be the center of attn, they dont care about the art form or the history

Pretty much. These rappers are doing for the attention... b/c rap is on top. I think if rock was still as big as ever, Mac would be in some band right now...

I'm sure lil wayne got permission to rap over "rolling in the deep" by the highest grossing artist and song of 2011...

Lil Wayne is also not out here getting 100k+ per show while performing that song... and if any issue did arise, the label could take care of it.

 

[Tuc2DaBoot]

I cant call it. If Mac & LF spoke and Mac agreed to give dude credit and reneged then he gets what he deserves.

Just spitting on a beat for a tape is one thing...making a video for it and basically promoting it like a single is a whole other thing.

On one hand I dont fukk with the lawsuit cuz where does it end? Will rappers not be able to freestyle to a beat on the radio? Will every person that spit on a beat for their tape get sued?

On the other hand if it's a matter of principle and LF & Mac came to some sort of agreement and Mac is playing games just thinking he can do what he wants then that fukked up.

What? Rappers aren't being paid to show up for radio interviews... that's free promotion for them. And why are people worried about rappers spitting over beats on tapes? Rappers didn't use to get nationally famous for doing it... so why should they now?

Folks just don't want to put the work in to get original production these days...

 

[keon]

what goes around comes back around again..everybody gotta eat breh..its a cold world but the game is fair

but i will say that sometimes i do actually like the mixtape versions a lot better then the original..like for instance

 

[Mask and Da Glock]

What? Rappers aren't being paid to show up for radio interviews... that's free promotion for them. And why are people worried about rappers spitting over beats on tapes? Rappers didn't use to get nationally famous for doing it... so why should they now?

Folks just don't want to put the work in to get original production these days...

This is where you're confusing me or your flip-flopping. They can get original production, but NOT SAMPLE BASED. Because back in the day production was NOT SAMPLE BASED, is that what you are saying? If someone has production that is based on a sample, on a free mixtape, it is wrong? Not someone elses song, but a beat they paid a producer for that incorporates a sample (an uncleared one). That is wrong?

 

[daze23]

I'm not ignorant to his relevance, but trying to fukk up the mixtape game is a great way to lose all my respect.

you put that on his twitter. you said that to him

"Why respect the architects if there's nothing to respect about them?"

do you realize how that sounds?

 

[Tuc2DaBoot]

This is where you're confusing me or your flip-flopping. They can get original production, but NOT SAMPLE BASED. Because back in the day production was NOT SAMPLE BASED, is that what you are saying? If someone has production that is based on a sample, on a free mixtape, it is wrong? Not someone elses song, but a beat they paid a producer for that incorporates a sample (an uncleared one). That is wrong?

Flip-flopped? I've never flip-flopped. At all.

I said if you can get original production, get it. If you want sample based music, have your bread right to clear the samples just in CASE any issues pop up... if you go that route. Because once you start making some serious show money (or Youtube ad money) off of free mixtape songs... then folks probably will come looking for credit or payment.

And I'm not saying sample based production is wrong... what I'm saying is artists should get creative and try to flip the sample their own way... that's all. Think of it this way.

How many times has Isley Brothers' "Between The Sheets" been sampled? Biggie, Jay, Jim Jones, and a whole lot more have done it... now if an upcoming artist wants to do it, he should find a way to flip the sample in your own way instead of basically looping Big Poppa's beat with better drums. Because if that artist blows up big off of it somehow... guess who is coming knocking.


Or... a better example. My homie Dee-1 outta NOLA put this song out from his free mixtape...

Dee-1 - The One That Got Away

Over 226k views and he had this song on New Orleans radio. It samples I Wish by Carl Thomas damn near chord for chord. But he hasn't gotten sued yet... know why? He's not making real money off of that record. Did it help his buzz? Yes. But did it put him over the top with paper and fame? No. You think someone like Diddy would let that slide if he knew money was being banked heavily off of it?

Bottom line... don't make money off of something you didn't put money or your originality into and not expect someone to come ask you about it.

 

[Dump Gawd]

at these hip hop elitist fakkits defending lord finesse when HE RARELY CLEARED SAMPLES AT ALL

 

[Mask and Da Glock]

Flip-flopped? I've never flip-flopped. At all.

I said if you can get original production, get it. If you want sample based music, have your bread right to clear the samples just in CASE any issues pop up... if you go that route. Because once you start making some serious show money (or Youtube ad money) off of free mixtape songs... then folks probably will come looking for credit or payment.

And I'm not saying sample based production is wrong... what I'm saying is artists should get creative and try to flip the sample their own way... that's all. Think of it this way.

How many times has Isley Brothers' "Between The Sheets" been sampled? Biggie, Jay, Jim Jones, and a whole lot more have done it... now if an upcoming artist wants to do it, he should find a way to flip the sample in your own way instead of basically looping Big Poppa's beat with better drums. Because if that artist blows up big off of it somehow... guess who is coming knocking.





Or... a better example. My homie Dee-1 outta NOLA put this song out from his free mixtape...

Dee-1 - The One That Got Away

Over 226k views and he had this song on New Orleans radio. It samples I Wish by Carl Thomas damn near chord for chord. But he hasn't gotten sued yet... know why? He's not making real money off of that record. Did it help his buzz? Yes. But did it put him over the top with paper and fame? No. You think someone like Diddy would let that slide if he knew money was being banked heavily off of it?

Bottom line... don't make money off of something you didn't put money or your originality into and not expect someone to come ask you about it.

So it's okay as long as you don't get caught...got ya, but as I've said from the very beginning this is about each and every artist who's been sampled on a free mixtape now having the legal ability to sue. If you're saying that's how it should be then so be it, agree to disagree.


but yo...this has mannie fresh in it, clearly a professionally produced video, he obviously would play this at a show....how again is this different? Does he have bread ready to pay carl thomas on deck?

(it's nice btw)

 

[MightyHealthy]

you put that on his twitter. you said that to him

"Why respect the architects if there's nothing to respect about them?"

do you realize how that sounds?

If the suits get crazy like they might, then he'll be taking away a lot more hip hop than he put in, free at that.

A mixtape is a perfect way to get a deal, or at least go touring...

I know exactly how that sounds (although in retrospect, should've had a comma) and whatever.

 

[HoLLaBaCK]

Just peeped the back of the mixtape...

Kool-Aid & Frozen Pizza (prod. Lord Finesse)

LF got credit on the tape & he never got the original sample cleared.

I'll still say making a video and promoting it like a single ain't cool but neither is this lawsuit.

OoHH and suing for 10 mil