Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[ISO]

Why the fukk are people dissing Frank when he is one of the only players having any kind of positive impact on games right now? Did you not see how the momentum shifted as soon as he and RJ sat down?

Prioritize your hate people...

We just need more production it’s just not enough sorry breh

 

[010101]

ant.edwards had a good night*

 

[RickyGQ]

ant.edwards had a good night*

I’m not sure he can provide the spacing needed to play with RJ tho.

 

[knickscrusaderm]

I've been championing Frank since his 0 point game against Chicago when for the first time all season, the Knicks were actually moving the ball in an effort to get efficient shots. Same game I noticed his defense was spectacular and led to some key turnovers. I've already noted that I don't give a fukk if Frank scores points and that ultimately he might not be an NBA starting point guard. I only think he needs to play because he contributes to winning basketball. On a team devoid of point guards, he needs to start...and he needs to be aggressive yes. Im not angry at how he played tonight because the Knicks don't win and lose BECAUSE of him.

So no...I'm not mad because Frank deceived me. I'm mad because I've spent so much time arguing with you when you clearly don't have a clue about shyt when you say things like "Frank has played only one good game." But you wouldn't know that because your whole point in here is to hate right? You're a distraction that I don't care to spend much more time on. I'll leave you unblocked...but don't expect much response because you're not Knicks fam.

Toodles

I’m not Knicks fam because I don’t like Frank .


I’ll let you Frank stans have it man. I can argue that y’all not really Knicks fan if ya championing that bum but once again I digress. Blessings brehs

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

I’m not sure he can provide the spacing needed to play with RJ tho.

That's the key
Everything should be based around providing spacing for RJ
Knicks need a PG like Cole Anthony or a PG that can shoot
Cole/RJ/Knox/Shooter/Mitch is a nice starting lineup of the future
Even if the Knicks end up w/ Wiseman which is not a need,
they have to start thinking about trading some of the young guys + picks for a competent PG

 

[Montez]

Marbury eating Vaseline
Rise of the Nets
Larry Brown.
Scott Layden
Dolan giving Lebron his mixtape
Donnie Walsh being wheeled in to meet free agents in 2010
Cavs playing Flipcup...during the game
Rose going MIA
Trading a 1st for Bargnani
Ewing
“Get in the Truck” / Anucha Browne Sanders
Giving Noah $72M
Giving Tim Hardaway Jr. $73M
My coach sleeping with his teammates BM
Phil Jackson
Winning the last two games a few years back to fukk up our lottery position
Roy Hubert blocking Melo
Porzingis
Riley going to Miami
Trading half our team for Melo
Amare punching a fire extinguisher
Gold Club Scandal
2019 Free Agency
Wars with the media
Ewing breaking his wrist
Sprewell shytting on Dolan
Steph Curry going one pick before us

Lived through all of this but watching Julius Randle play is where this shyt hurts too much

 

[ISO]

Have a team devoid of players who can cut and guards who are effective at running the P&R but expect to see more of those play actions brehs

Believe guys like Allonzo Trier and Marcus Morris are suddenly gonna become cutters brehs

Think Dennis no jumper Smith and Frank telegraph Ntlikina can run P&R’s

Sign Bobby Portis, Marcus Morris, Julius Randle while drafting R.J. Barrett and having Allonzo Trier and wonder why you lead the league in isolations brehs

Think coaches can turn water into wine brehs

 

[Ty-Fife]

It's funny ’cause if the young dudes were getting majority of the minutes I don't think anyone would be upset at the losses. To watch Randle, Morris and Portis play hero ball every game is just...

 

[010101]

I’m not sure he can provide the spacing needed to play with RJ tho.

son can let it fly

but i more like the idea of ant & rj bullying backcourts ha

#orange.box.cutter.energy

*

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

son can let it fly

but i more like the idea of ant & rj bullying backcourts ha

#orange.box.cutter.energy

*

An Antman/RJ backcourt works if

1) Antman can consistently break down the defense and make common sense passes
2) Antman can shoot at least 37% from 3 as an NBA player

If 1) and 2) occur, then Antman/RJ will be a great big backcourt

It also helps that Antman sees himself as a PG

 

[010101]

An Antman/RJ backcourt works if

1) Antman can consistently break down the defense and make common sense passes
2) Antman can shoot at least 37% from 3 as an NBA player

If 1) and 2) occur, then Antman/RJ will be a great big backcourt

It also helps that Antman sees himself as a PG

it's an option to consider*

 

[JMurder]

Just stating the facts

Nikkas really tried to blame this man for the FT shooting

Our fans are trash man instead of campaigning for Fiz firing there should be heavy, aggressive pushback towards Dolan and those fakkits Mills and Perry

I'm not campaigning for Fiz to be fired...but I'm actively noting some of the head-scratching decisions he's making en route to what appears to be a losing season. Tonight's game wasn't devoid of them.

A couple of y'all (including you) tried to call me out about my wondering why DSJ was still on the court. I'll take this opportunity to show you and @seemorecizzy the difference.

Game 1 of the season. All 3 of our point guards hadn't impressed in the preseason, so none of them started. We start the game slow with RJ as our starting point guard expectedly. So Fiz understandably brings Dennis in in the first quarter. We still aren't really playing great. End the first down 7. He brings in Elfrid as the game starts to get a little out of hand in the second. We sort of make a run. We end the half down 8. So for a full half Knicks are losing, and our 21 year old defensive point guard still hasn't seen a minute. If you're of the belief that we should be developing these guys while trying to figure out who should be in the rotation, in a situation where at best only one point guard has maybe shone in a game...I'm not sure you should be holding out the only point guard who plays good defense for a full half.

But okay, Fizdale has already done this. The Knicks make a run...take the lead...lose the lead....regain the lead...Fiz decides to put Frank in with 2:32 left in the third. Knicks are leading by 4. Spurs cut it to 2, Taj turns it over, Frank steals the ball, Frank gets his layup blocked, Knox hits a layup, RJ fouls Rudy gay, Frank turns the ball over.......by the time the quarter ends the Knicks are still leading by 1. The fourth quarter starts, Frank turns the ball over again causing a layup which he fouls on. Frank gets subbed out after nearly 3 minutes. He never sees the game again. While Frank has been in the game the Knicks 4 point lead turns into a 2 point deficit.

Fast Forward to tonight

Frank starts....Knicks are playing somewhat well to start the game....they're shooting ok, they're passing the ball, and most importantly they're not embarassing themselves on defense. With 3:04 left in the FIRST quarter, Fizdale brings in our previously struggling young point guard. I'm not mad at it. We need DSJ playing well if our fortunes are to turn around. At this point the Knicks are up by 4 (just like they were when Frank entered the Spurs game at the end of the 3rd quarter). FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE QUARTER THE KNICKS DON'T SCORE A SINGLE POINT. To make matters worse....they gave up 12 straight points.

Do I have to point out the significant difference here? If Frank comes in the game and all of a sudden the Knicks stop scoring for 3 minutes while the other team scores 12 straight fukking points, I'M GONNA BE ASKING FOR HIM TO COME OUT THE GAME.

But of course Dennis doesn't come out the game. He continues to play to begin the 2nd Quarter. By the time Dennis Smith leaves the court in the second quarter, the Bulls 30-22 lead has swelled to 36-24 before a Kevin Knox 3 pointer makes it a respectable 9. Yes fam....the Knicks 4 point lead in the first when Dennis came in turned into a 12 point deficit 12 seconds before he comes off the court. Is it only his fault...no, but he was a main contributor to this with his lackluster defense. Dennis' contributions during his 6 (!!!) minute stint in the first half. 3 turnovers, 1 foul, 1 missed layup. Dennis came back in the second half and played better.

Now reading this, tell me you don't see a difference here. I didn't sugarcoat anything for Frank...but it's clear that he gets handled differently even when his mistakes are not as costly as when his peers do the same thing. Frank didn't see a single minute in the game after the Spurs game despite DSJ arguably playing just as bad. Dennis got 4 minutes against the Nets and scored 1 point). Frank played 18.1 seconds to end the first half in the game afterwards against Boston. Dennis played 11 minutes, had 0 points, 1 assists and 2 turnovers.

I don't think there's any question whether Dennis Smith is playing in the next game and there shouldn't be. Dennis needs to play just like Frank should've played in the first three games. But if we're gonna make an emphasis on defense, then Frank needs to stop getting the short leash permanently. If you're gonna give Frank a short leash, then you have to give guys who are doing bullshyt like Randle and Marcus Morris a short leash too. If Frank is gonna get a short leash when he makes a mistake that leads to a 6 point swing, then you CAN NOT leave Dennis out there for an entire 16 point swing.

I hope this illuminates the difference that you guys pretend you don't see.

 

[JMurder]

We just need more production it’s just not enough sorry breh

Things that would be of more use to the Knicks than "more Frank Ntilikina production"

1) Mitchell Robinson
2) RJ Barrett consistently hitting free throws
3) Julius Randle being reigned WAAAAAYYYYYY the fukk in
4) An actual focus on putting defensive lineups on the court (like come on Taj, Dotson, Morris and RJ can do enough to score to make up for whatever Randle is doing out there)
5) Our coach recognizing that unless these four players are all hitting, three of them don't need to be on the court at the same time: Randle, Portis, Morris, and Ellington
6) Dennis Smith Jr. remembering how to play basketball
7) (If Dennis Smith never remembers how to play basketball) Elfrid Payton being able to play basketball

This is just off the top of my head...I'm sure I can think of a few more by tomorrow night

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

@JMurder

why didn't lockdown defender ntilikina shut Coby White down?

I just looked up the box score, and Zach had 25, Coby had 27. So who exactly was Frankie guarding???

 

[CantStop]

I just looked up the box score, and Zach had 25, Coby had 27. So who exactly was Frankie guarding???

You didn't read?

Frank is always on the bench when the opposing team scores

everytime they get a stop, he's on the court