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that loss is on Frank

Devontae dropped 9 3s on him and the game winner on his head

man the way y'all stan Frank, I can only imagine how y'all would act if Graham was a Knick. Y'all would build that man a statue

that french bust(who doesn't claim rwanda) is a bum

defense is his calling right but guards stay busting y'all ass :dead:

He still recovered and contested the shot well. I didn't start watching until halfway through third but I highly doubt every three was on Frank considering Fiz likes the Knicks to switch everything (and Frank was still playing great defense in the time I watched).

That's one of those games I don't wanna put on anybody tbh. Randle played well down the stretch and it looks like that last play went awry more than anything. There was a couple of bs calls down the stretch ( Frank had his hands straight up on both plays and there was barely any contact ) and Graham made a tough shot. The Knicks played hard and I hope they can carry that energy forward.
 
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Why the fukk are we using Zone in the era of 3point shooting for anyway??:mindblown:

Probably to compensate for teams passing the ball until they get a favorable match up due to us switching on defense. Zone & switching hides bad defenders.

It really disrupted Dallas, the problem is you can’t do that trick twice. You watch the game tape, and then just identify when the Knicks do it to shoot the three.
 

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roster deficiencies in pick and roll defense.
we started switching every pick and roll as an alternative and got zero stops.

Probably to compensate for teams passing the ball until they get a favorable match up due to us switching on defense. Zone & switching hides bad defenders.

It really disrupted Dallas, the problem is you can’t do that trick twice. You watch the game tape, and then just identify when the Knicks do it to shoot the three.
Switching is another thing they're terrible at:hhh:
 

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that loss is on Frank

Devontae dropped 9 3s on him and the game winner on his head

man the way y'all stan Frank, I can only imagine how y'all would act if Graham was a Knick. Y'all would build that man a statue

that french bust(who doesn't claim rwanda) is a bum

defense is his calling right but guards stay busting y'all ass :dead:
Frank fukked up though :francis: He only had one job there.
I was thinking about doing a breakdown of the last quarter but I don't think I need to.

We started to lose when Mitch tweaked his ankle. Went from up 8 to going back and forth for the lead.

Another 2 key plays before the fateful three:
Marcus Morris' foul at 33.2 seconds left in the game when we were up 4. It was unnecessary, Frank was playing perfectly fine defense and if Marcus chooses to keep Batum out of the paint instead of gambling for a steal, we probably recover a rebound. Instead that play ends in two free throws bringing the lead down to 2.

Immediately after that, the next play the Knicks run is not a play at all. Ball is passed twice...RJ drives around the 3 point line...passes to Randle who throws up the ugliest lay-in you'll see until his next one. As you might expect, 3 Hornets players were in the paint, and two were just outside of it. Frank was open, Mook was actually moving into the paint clogging it some more, and RJ was WIDE open. During this play, I was wondering why Mitchell Robinson wasn't in so that the Knicks might opt for an easy two to win the game. He was the Knicks leading scorer behind RJ and had a 75% FG for the night. A pick and roll for an easy two and the win seemed like a superior play than what was actually run. But perhaps Fiz saw something that I didn't. But that's two crucial plays that didn't go the Knicks way in a row.

Play #3 was the killer. Out of a time out Mitch is out on the court instead of Randle which seems like a great substitution. I've watched the execution of this play about 4 times tonight and there are two mistakes that are painfully made by our two best defenders. #1 is Mitch is paying WAY too much attention to the paint. Before the ball is inbounded, Mitch is in the paint by himself guarding no one while Washington sets a pick and runs past the three point line to catch the ball. If Washington wasn't so clearly trying to pass the ball then all fault would go to Mitch because he was playing Washington not to drive past him and to shoot the 3. Washington passes to Graham who shakes off Frank, and Frank who sees Washington mostly by himself with the ball covers him instead of sticking to Graham. This is mostly miscommunication. Mitch isn't up on Washington so Frank feels he has to do double duty and guards Washington, the pass, and then the quick shot by Graham. It's wonderful team defense by Frank, but this was a possession where he needed to stick to his man and didn't. Mitch also should have stepped up to contest Graham when he saw Frank cover Washington but he stays inside of the 3 point line. That was not so good team defense by Mitch. When it's all said and done, Fizdale probably would have done better to have Dotson out there instead of Mitch as the perimeter would've been better defended.

So all in all, this was an all around team loss with some questionable minutes distribution, some poor defensive choices, some poor offensive choices, and poor coaching decisions leading to a loss. Also, Dennis did not end up having a good night. He committed a couple frustration fouls, and he was the point guard in the game when the lead went from 13 points to 1. I don't think it was his fault alone (Bobby Portis also was very poor defensively during that stretch) but if he's not scoring, and he's not distributing easy assists, he doesn't need to be out there.
 
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Probably to compensate for teams passing the ball until they get a favorable match up due to us switching on defense. Zone & switching hides bad defenders.

It really disrupted Dallas, the problem is you can’t do that trick twice. You watch the game tape, and then just identify when the Knicks do it to shoot the three.
The problem is....why is Fizdale implementing zone defense and switch heavy defense when you have lineups with Frank, RJ, Mook and Mitch? You also have Dotson, and Taj Gibson...the only guy we're hiding is Randle but thankfully he's not our center so it's not terrible if he gets picked on
 

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Also, Dennis did not end up having a good night. He committed a couple frustration fouls, and he was the point guard in the game when the lead went from 13 points to 1. I don't think it was his fault alone (Bobby Portis also was very poor defensively during that stretch) but if he's not scoring, and he's not distributing easy assists, he doesn't need to be out there.
More on this....I REALLY hope his play against Dallas wasn't just him playing up because it was his old team and he wanted to show out. If we are going to win games like tonight, we NEED him to be that player all the time. This is the second game since he's been back that the opposing team has gone on double-digit runs while he's out on the court in low-minute situations. You can't win games when you're allowing teams to go on runs like this. If you make them work for the comeback, you are A LOT more likely to win than if you just let them back in the game. It's something I'm gonna be looking at with Dennis on the court in the future, and I hope it's something Fizdale is gonna be looking at as well. I don't think he necessarily needs to be pulled, but maybe call a timeout and find a way to get Dennis to make an impact on the game before the other team makes theirs. Maybe tell him to get Mitch going like he did against Dallas
 
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