Looks like I got a lot to get into
Let's get to it
Not really. Barely beating a terrible Wizards team with Bradley Beal, Bertans, Mo Wagner, etc. out.
My nikka, who's talking about one game? I wasn't. I wasn't even talking about the last game that I clearly said "there's no excuse not to blow this team out" and who I got angry with because the Wizards stayed close the entire game. FOH.
No the results are bearing out because, LIKE I ALWAYS SAID, a better coach is getting more wins with this bad team than the bad coach was getting with this bad team. Miller would have to lose the next 11 straight games for this viewpoint to not bear out (which is certainly possible with this upcoming stretch of games, but I'd like to think it won't happen)
dont do this to yourself lol
Do what? Knicks playing better and winning more like I said they would under a better coach. Halfway through 22 games and there's significant evidence bearing this out. Could you be right and the Knicks revert to the same shytty form they've shown from under Fizdale moving forward? Absolutely...but to act like up to this point under Miller the Knicks haven't clearly looked better is some delusional shyt.
sample is too small to judge anything
and this doesnt mention or factor in the effect of payton playing with miller and not playin with fizz.
yall do this shyt after every win and are quiet as fukk during the losse lol
lets not forget we just lost washington the other day.
i do believe miller is a better x and o's guy than fizz but more importantly, the team has just settled in. yall was panicking and ready to fire fizz and bench randle after 10 games lol
dolan is gettin ready to give mills a 5 year extension as we speak
Sample isn't too small to judge with Fiz and already Miller has outperformed that. Everyone has looked better including Randle (which was a sore point from the beginning). So tell me at what point does sample size kick in? The nikkas has 11 games under his belt...you'd have to have 9-11 games of duds for there to be any serious point of argument.
@ Elfrid being the missing piece.
Sample size too small to work with but somehow Miller already got more dubs than Fizdale had in twice the time
Payton didn't double the amount of successful PnR finishes by magic breh. Both the offense and defense are really obviously running in a different manner. Is it iterative from some of the Fizdale sets? Yes, but you can't install an entirely new offense midseason. The North/South focus is new, the increased PnR's, spacing focused play sets and rotation...all that is Miller. Same with the defense, I don't think I even have to explain it because that ones really obvious.
There are blatant changes to how this team is operating. They weren't magically gonna do this stuff. Fizdale sucked. The team sucks too. Mills still gotta go. But Fizdale was a terrible coach.
FAX!!!!
this literally means nothing
how did we beat dallas twice if we were just out there playin pick up basketball with fizz?
My man legit just said successful PnR finishes, switch to North/South focus on offense, increased spacing, switch to drop coverage on defense, and rotation management literally means nothing.
breh, going 2-7 against non playoff teams doesnt mean anything when the knicks arent even a playoff team in their own right
also what 7 non playoff teams did we lose to
we traded wins with da cavs and bulls, (teams on the same level as us)
and we lost to sarcmento and charlotte ( 2 teams who can still make da playoffs, we are in december
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yall just throwing out fancy stats that sound good but make no sense.
Bring up that the Knicks lost to 2 teams who can still make the playoffs as an indictment that the Knicks are a truly terrible team with or without Fizdale...but fail to mention the Knicks victories over 1 of those teams, and Brooklyn as a point in the opposite direction. Fail to mention that the Knicks have only lost to playoff teams (and beat one) with the exception of Washington.
I didn't realize win/loss was too fancy for you
name da 7 non playoff teams we lost to under fiz
ill help you, bulls and cavs. who are da 5 others
Pistons (without Blake Griffin and all their PG's were hurt unless you count Brown as a PG), Spurs twice, Kings, Hornets....that's 7 losses to non-playoff teams. 4 losses by double-digits against that collective. You're not about to try and sell me on how those teams are secretly good right? That 2 and 7 against those squads is justified because Elfrid Payton is magic
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Somehow....I think they're about to do just that
Blake Griffin is fukking TRASH this year
And the Kings, Spurs, Hornets are better than us
You're talking about these teams as if they're clearly playoff teams. As if the gap is super wide and the Knicks have no business beating any of these teams. But I guess this is the argument. Whether the Knicks can actually beat NBA teams that are not bottom feeders.
What are you basing this on ?
the spurs have made da playoffs for 20 consecutive years and are currently in the 9th seed with 50 games to play and you just dismiss them as a " non playoff team"
the lengths you guys will go to try a prove a point is just
pistons made da playoffs last year, why are they a non playoff team?
ill give you da kings because they havent made it in ages but its too early to dismiss charlotte.
just stop my guy lol
True on Blake, Pistons are trash with or without him. He wouldn't be an excuse to lose to them for even if he was present.
Hornets ain't that good...Graham is nice and I like Miles and PJ but that's about it. Zeller's cool for deep fantasy leagues. Thank God we didn't sign Rozier at 20 million a year.
Kings look better on paper but they've been a let down, maybe they'll pick it up but even with Fox back they've looked rough.
Spurs I'll give you.
bucks blew out da clippers by 30
phily blew out da bucks by 30
rockets just lost to golden state
none of these game means anything. shyt like that just happens in da nba
Except when it comes to the Knicks...it means that they're the worst team in the league with no hope
Okay, maybe these stats are a little too complicated for you to understand
. Non-Playoff means based on their current records which is reflective of how they've played THIS season. The Pistons are non-playoff team because they suck this season. Based on W/L Fizdale faced one of the softest schedules in the league up to his 20th game.
They’re better and you can be blown out any given night in this league
Any team can be blown out any given night in this league. I'm not sure what the point here is. There's a problem when your team is getting blown out numerous times by middle of the road to bottom feeder teams.
outside of a few teams, you cant determine a non playoff team in october and november. i cant believe i even have to explain this to you lol.
by your theory, phoniex was a playoff team in november when they started 7-3 but arent a playoff team in december
there's 82 games for a reason my guy
and why did you count the first spurs lost as a lost to a non playoff team when both teams were 0-0
some serious trollin goin on around here.
I can't believe I have to explain to you that regardless of whether they become playoff teams in the future, that still doesn't change the fact that they are and have been bad teams this entire season. Like, even if these teams win out their games for the rest of the season...they were BAD in October and November. So if they're bad, you ain't supposed to be getting blown out by them...and you maybe can even...idk...beat them.
You propping up 13-18, 12-21, and 13-22 teams to say....what, that they're gonna make the playoffs so the Knicks ain't supposed to beat them?
The Knicks are 9-24...the win-loss gap ain't that far between them my guy.
Fizdale apologists never give up.
shyt's sad ain't it?
yeah breh, I'm trolling you with this amazingly complicated concept. The teams listed would not make the playoffs if we ended the season today. That suggests that they have not played a the level of a playoff team. Thus we categorize them as non-playoffs or...not currently in playoff position. This is some magical ish, Merlin must have come up with this unfathomable measure or some super computer.
not being a top 8 seed in your conference in game 10 or game 15 etc doesnt mean you can be classified as a "non playoff team" beating phoniex when they were 7-3 doesnt qualify as a win against a playoff team. that's one of the dumbest things i ever heard. do better beloved.
By this description, the Knicks are a playoff team. shyt they only 5.5 games back with 49 games left in the season. Anything is possible
We're 30+ games into the season...are you really still confused about how this works? We're applying this to teams that are almost halfway through the year and not sitting in playoff position.
The logic is astounding
fam, regardless of how you twist it, its gonna sound dumb lol
bulls (who you considered a terrible loss) are now 1.5 games out of da 8th spot (does that mean our bulls win is even better now? lmao)
spurs are tied for 8th
charlotte and sacromento are right in da playoff mix
u cant make statements like that after 30 games.
its a dumb stat.
atleast wait to da allstar break i mean got damn
and we are a bottom of da barrel team regardless.
the breh is delusional
The 8th seed in both conferences are well below .500 win percentage. What point are you trying to make by being so beholden to "ability to make the playoffs?"
It’s a literal observation dumbass. Those teams are currently not qualified for the playoffs hence “non-playoff teams”
He’s right lol. Season is a marathon. Teams work on consistency, building chemistry, dealing with injuries all year, teams find grooves and strides. Some nights teams look great other nights they don’t. How the fukk you making points about losing to a Spurs team first game of the season for example?
Spurs started the year 3-0 btw. They had one long losing streak and are currently 9th seed. Any way their team is clearly better than ours.
Let's analyze that losing streak shall we?
Boston (good team)
Memphis (not good)
Minnesota (not good)
Orlando (bad team)
Portland (not good)
Dallas (good team)
Washington (bad team)
Philly (good team)
They've since lost to Minnesota, Detroit, and Cleveland. Perhaps (just perhaps) San Antonio ain't a good team just like the teams that they have lost to throughout the season and it's not farfetched for the Knicks to have picked up 1 of the 2 games? Yeah, we lost the first game (which we could have won) but the second game the Spurs were on the losing streak you referred to. Just saying...not good
Y’all are being purposefully obtuse at this point. Calling them “non-playoff” teams is relative to the current standings. That’s it. It’s just a simple way to figure out what the weakest teams we’ve played so far are based on their performance through this date. It’s not a measure of where they’ll end up, it’s a measure of where they’ve been so far which is all we have to work with.
You want to argue that they could potentially be playoff teams at a later date? Sure. That doesn’t change what the designation is pointing to though.
The worst performing teams on the knicks’ schedule so far consistently beat them through fizdale’s term with this roster. That’s the observation based on the data available.
Now from there if you want to argue that those teams are just better and that the Knicks simply has no path to more than a 2-7 record against the worst 9 performers they played in that span...do that.
nikkas is morons
Y’all can’t be this dense. Fiz coached for a quarter of the season and the team looked REALLY bad for most of them. We’re not picking one or two games and going off on him for that. “People lose everyday b” is the wildest defense of a shyt coach I’ve ever seen.
On some real shyt, I can understand if dudes are coming out the woodwork saying "
@ISO @seemorecizzy how you liking Fiz now? You still think this team is terrible." But no one is doing that. Dudes are just posting their CORRECT analysis and statistics on the difference between Fizdale coaching and Mike Miller coaching. There's no argument to be made.
In the first 22 games, 7 games were against teams who you can honestly make a case will make it to the Finals. If you exclude those, FIzdale went 4-11. If you exclude the 1 Milwaukee game, Miller is 5-5.
If you want to keep records out of this but still want comparable numbers that actually mean something, out of timeouts Knicks are outscoring teams 103-66 in the last 11 games (+3.6 PPG). In the first 19 games the Knick were outscored 105-59 (-2.4 PPG). That's a 6 point swing!!!! That's important!
Then we have all the other supporting stats that we're being told is "small sample size."
Still....waiting for 22 games before I outright say what we already know
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