Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[Miles Davis]

It's okay to smile and laugh every once in a while, brehs.

Nah, they ain’t breaking my heart no more

 

[seemorecizzy]

They just post win loss record with no context

A team full of new players is playing better as the season goes on

Fiz had no Payton or Bullock. Wayne was bricking everything.

Also, again Fiz played the young players more, Miller is rolling with the veterans to get wins.


I thought y'all wanted the kids to play look at the minutes Barrett, Ntilikina, Knox, Robinson have received lately. It's funny how y'all happy winning these games when it's the veterans playing, we're winning nail biters against mediocre teams, and we're ruining our draft odds we need another high lottery pick this is a wasted season.

Also, we should not extend Miller without weighing our options.

yeah thats trippin me out
i was told randle would need to go to da bench under miller and that miller would play da young guys more but mitch, knox, smith, etc are taking a back seat to the vets.
i got no problem with miller, but the agenda by some in here is real

 

[Derek Lee]

Fizdale ain't shyt.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Fizdale ain't shyt.

fukk that bald fakkit Fizdale.



Next head coach can not be bald. Fisher and Fizdale... Notice a pattern?



Shoutout to Woody, though. That’s my nikka. Goatee was immaculate.

 

[RickyGQ]

Bobby quoted saying he doesn’t want to take a buyout.

 

[RickyGQ]

They just post win loss record with no context

A team full of new players is playing better as the season goes on

Fiz had no Payton or Bullock. Wayne was bricking everything.

Also, again Fiz played the young players more, Miller is rolling with the veterans to get wins.


I thought y'all wanted the kids to play look at the minutes Barrett, Ntilikina, Knox, Robinson have received lately. It's funny how y'all happy winning these games when it's the veterans playing, we're winning nail biters against mediocre teams, and we're ruining our draft odds we need another high lottery pick this is a wasted season.

Also, we should not extend Miller without weighing our options.

I’m actually not a fan of these wins. It’s better now that RJ is back but still too many Bullock and Ellington minutes.

 

[MR. Conclusion]

I rather create a winning culture by any means necessary. Don't give a fukk if the young players get a single minute.

Until Knox finds a way to consistently impact the game, give his minutes to Bullock.

Mitch can't even stay on the court for more than 2 minutes without fouling out, so there's nothing to discuss about his playing time. He did it to himself.

fukk all this hand holding shyt. Our best team in the last decade was all vets. Go with whoever is balling.

 

[JMurder]

honestly fam, you are gonna look dumb again in a month.
you always get caught up in the moment,
you were the same way when miller first got hired and were quiet as hell when we started gettin our asses whipped regularly.

Teams in the nba (even the bad ones) go through good stretches. it doesn't mean much in the grand schme of things.

you are getting excited because we won NAIL BITERS again the cavs in overtime, a pistons team missin everyone, and the magic coming off 3 games in 4 nights.

I could see if we were blowin these teams out, but we easily could of lost each and every one of these games


context matters, and no it is not the same team (payton, who has been our best player during this win streak wasn't playin when fizz)

Its nice to win some games though, even at against trash teams. Im pretty sure you think if fizz was here we'd still be sittin on 4 wins but thats just not how baskeball works

I promise you I didn't read all that.



The only thing that needs to be said is that I told you this team was not as bad as last year's team, and should've won more games than them. You disagreed. We're now at 17 wins. I'll accept that apology now

 

[JMurder]

They just post win loss record with no context

A team full of new players is playing better as the season goes on

Fiz had no Payton or Bullock. Wayne was bricking everything.

Also, again Fiz played the young players more, Miller is rolling with the veterans to get wins.


I thought y'all wanted the kids to play look at the minutes Barrett, Ntilikina, Knox, Robinson have received lately. It's funny how y'all happy winning these games when it's the veterans playing, we're winning nail biters against mediocre teams, and we're ruining our draft odds we need another high lottery pick this is a wasted season.

Also, we should not extend Miller without weighing our options.

I didn't quote or argue with you for a reason...context does not matter in my argument. The argument has nothing to do with what I want. It has nothing to do with WHY the Knicks lost outside of coaching. Yeah, Fiz was without Elfrid for all but 4 games. Yeah he had no Bullock. How many games did Mook miss under Fiz? How many did RJ? How many did Randle miss? Ellington is a non-starter as an argument because Fiz got more good games out of him than Miller has so far.

Outside of the specific argument that me and dude was having, me and you agree. Don't blend the arguments though because that's not what we're talking about. Thanks

 

[JMurder]

I rather create a winning culture by any means necessary. Don't give a fukk if the young players get a single minute.

Until Knox finds a way to consistently impact the game, give his minutes to Bullock.

Mitch can't even stay on the court for more than 2 minutes without fouling out, so there's nothing to discuss about his playing time. He did it to himself.

fukk all this hand holding shyt. Our best team in the last decade was all vets. Go with whoever is balling.

Winning culture doesn't mean shyt if the players that enjoy it don't stay here or if the young players don't experience it for themselves. Its not an either or situation. Try to get better and try to have the youth experience it as much as possible. Do that even if it doesn't lead to wins

 

[seemorecizzy]

I promise you I didn't read all that.[/B][/B]



The only thing that needs to be said is that I told you this team was not as bad as last year's team, and should've won more games than them. You disagreed. We're now at 17 wins. I'll accept that apology now

avoiding the sonning at all costs

and how can you no we wouldnt exceed 17 after 22 games?

always livin in the moment

 

[JMurder]

yeah thats trippin me out
i was told randle would need to go to da bench under miller and that miller would play da young guys more but mitch, knox, smith, etc are taking a back seat to the vets.
i got no problem with miller, but the agenda by some in here is real

Seems like you're forgetting the arguments

He would still be fired because they got blown out in 9 out of the 21 games they played

He would still be fired because they got blown out by an average of 40 pts in back to back games

He would not have been fired because they only had 7 wins

Our coaches name is Miller btw. We've already debated your last point ad nauseum and I think at this point we just need to wait and see how the front office and Dolan reacts throughout the season

gettin blown out in 9 of 21 games happens when you have a shyt roster.

40 point losses to way better teams wasnt something that was gonna happen every night. and it doesnt erase the 6-7 other games we lost close games to superior teams

hope da energy is the same when we continue to get whooped with a "better" coach

7 blowouts in 31 games
0 losses by 30 points or more

 

[JMurder]

avoiding the sonning at all costs

and how can you no we wouldnt exceed 17 after 22 games?

always livin in the moment

Bruh, your said "on paper this team is better than last year's team" but was constructed so stupidly that they were as bad or worse. Did you not?

 

[seemorecizzy]

Bruh, your said "on paper this team is better than last year's team" but was constructed so stupidly that they were as bad or worse. Did you not?

when did i say we wouldnt past 17 wins?
winnin 23 games instead of 17 while not playing da young guys isnt progress to me.

are you disagreeing that this team is poorly constructed? im tryin to get your angle here lol

my point has been consistent. 22 games with 8 new players, with an unbalanced roster, and no starting point guard wasnt a way to probably access a team or coach. any coach, not just fizz.

mills was fired because we were still trash after fizz left

 

[JMurder]

when did i say we wouldnt past 17 wins?[/B]
winnin 23 games instead of 17 while not playing da young guys isnt progress to me.

are you disagreeing that this team is poorly constructed? im tryin to get your angle here lol

my point has been consistent. 22 games with 8 new players, with an unbalanced roster, and no starting point guard wasnt a way to probably access a team or coach. any coach, not just fizz.

mills was fired because we were still trash after fizz left

I never said you did. I made it clear that being on pace to lose 17 games or less (which was the pace under Fizdale) was unacceptable. I'm waiting for you to acknowledge this to be the case instead of caping.

Not at all. I understand your point. We actually agree on everything except Fizdale being a bad coach

You seem to waver back and forth between this team is marginally better than last year (which I agree with) and this is the worst Knicks team in franchise history (which, last year's was definitely worse)

this is correct
also, for as much as you hate fiz, remember who hired him in the first place

i also won't be judging whether miller is a good coach based on how he does with this squad because hes set up to fail

You probably can't judge if anyone's actually a good coach with this roster but you can definitely figure out a bad one

So tell me...was Fizdale a bad coach (for this team if you want to use that as a qualifier) and is Miller a better coach?