Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[knickscrusaderm]

I disagree. Not to mention when the defensively inept becomes also offensively inept in a game... You should play the player that's not defensively inept

You’re free to disagree.

Playing 4v5 on offense <<< having a defensive anchor clean up any penetration. Unless you believe offensive player that can’t shoot occupying a corner not being guarded is less detrimental than having a defensive player that’s lacking but can be kept up by an actual defensive philosophy and game plan.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Great transitional defense leading to offensive plays by the team>>>James Harden offense, no defense, 50 ppg, 20 team ppg.

Frank was bad on both ends last year. He's improved vastly, this year. Poorzingas and Doncic combined for 52 points or so and loss thanks to Frank.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Knicks fans love Frank because there's nothing else to lose by letting him rock.

That and the regret of not taking DSJ is gone since he's here and hasn't been very good (that was a major part of the initial dislike of Frank, that and he's a foreigner and Knicks fans hate foreigners)

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Something I heard on knicks film school that they mentioned. They always compare Ntilikina to players like tony Allen, thabo sefalosha and Andre Roberson but you’ve never seen those three with the dribble, vision and step back shot frank has shown.

 

[ISO]

Doesnt mean i have to think the same way you do. Some players develop later when theyre 25 or 26, just the way it works sometimes

You seem to not acknowledge that such a thing as a "late bloomer" exists, like many of the others

I said right out the gate Smith Jr will be much better then Frank the first 3 to 5 years. But that Frank will have the longer career

Someone like Gerald Green who was a lottery pick was trash the first several years of his career. Came out of high school, finally became a good role player in his mid to late 20's

We are addicted to instant gratification in this modern society, social media and smart phones have trained us to be this way. I believe that plays into the thinking of many Coli brehs that have no patience for young players in general, not just Nitty

Thats because hes only 21. I actually expected it to take longer for him to develop. If he can keep playing like he did against the Mavs there wont be complaints

Theres only been 2 or 3 of us that have never stopped believing in Franks potential as at least a good role player. Everyone else hasnt been giving him passes.

Matter of fact first game he played he only got 3 minutes. And all my Knicks brehs turned on him, after just 3 minutes. So what you said is false, im one of the few that has givin him passes.

We have seen some other young players get written off like D Lo only to see him have a break out year with the Nets last year. Theres a serious problem in this era with expecting too much too fast. There is no patience for young players anymore. Those who chose to conform to that way of thinking are free to do so, but ill stick to a more rational approach when analyzing young talent

If anything Frank has received lots of unfair hate. Compare that to Knox who did get passes despite shooting horribly and playing no defense as a rookie. And still playing very little defense this year

Age is irrelevant. Frank was just raw and shook. It's plenty of players doing well in this league at his age. The Knicks were not in a position to develop a guy for 5 years when they drafted him. Most teams aren't waiting 5 years to develop a guy into a serviceable player. Get a grip. I usually compare Frank to his peers who have similar playstyle, age, and physical profile to him such as Lonzo Ball, Dejounte Murray, and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. All guys who have proven to be better than Frank despite having faults themselves and injuries.

The first game he played he was yanked after 3 minutes for good reason. Serious question do you honestly think Greg Popovich or any coach in the league really isn't going to yank a guy after 2 juvenile telegraphed turnovers and a silly frusturation foul and -6 plus minus in a little under 3 minutes of play.

Anyway Frank had a good game and one can only hope he continues to play well.

 

[Peter Popoff]

One thing I think about, is how we gave up Jerami Grant. I was a fan of his and now he's showing off. This office better not give up any of the 1-3 nor Morris and Mitch. I would still trade Trier to the nets though. Dotson needs his minutes.

 

[ISO]

One thing I think about, is how we gave up Jerami Grant. I was a fan of his and now he's showing off. This office better not give up any of the 1-3 nor Morris and Mitch. I would still trade Trier to the nets though. Dotson needs his minutes.

That's Jerami, we had Jerian. He out the league.

 

[dave]

if Frank keeps workin' on his offense, we might have Kawhi 2.0 brehs

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

I like Frank as a player and I'm happy for the kid
I knew he had it in him he just needed the playing time for his development
That being said, Frank does tend to get a lot of leeway
I remember players like Melo literally getting blamed for everything
"omg it's Melo's fault KP is this way he rubbed off on him"
Knicks fans tend to pit players they like against one another and play favorites
They pick and choose who to scapegoat and shyt on and who is on their shyt list changes over time

Just the Knicks way

And that's the main issue that I have with Knicks fans, not just on this board but in life in general. If this cat wasn't on the Knicks, NOBODY would be talking about him. He'd be Dante Exum status.

This is completely false, if anything the opposite is true

You continue to come in here and push false narratives. I believe it is attention you want but attention i will give you no more

Nobody looking for attention. I'm having a basketball conversation.

See, its goofy memes like this are corny. I don't see this type of attention or props when cats like Morris or whomever have great game.

And since we on the topic of Frank finally "developing". What is his ceiling? A 15, 5 & 5 guy? 2nd string backup? Etc?

 

[ISO]

if Frank keeps workin' on his offense, we might have Kawhi 2.0 brehs

Slow the fukk down

Aww man

 

[Columbo]

Age is irrelevant. Frank was just raw and shook. It's plenty of players doing well in this league at his age. The Knicks were not in a position to develop a guy for 5 years when they drafted him. Most teams aren't waiting 5 years to develop a guy into a serviceable player. Get a grip. I usually compare Frank to his peers who have similar playstyle, age, and physical profile to him such as Lonzo Ball, Dejounte Murray, and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. All guys who have proven to be better than Frank despite having faults themselves and injuries.

The first game he played he was yanked after 3 minutes for good reason. Serious question do you honestly think Greg Popovich or any coach in the league really isn't going to yank a guy after 2 juvenile telegraphed turnovers and a silly frusturation foul and -6 plus minus in a little under 3 minutes of play.

Anyway Frank had a good game and one can only hope he continues to play well.

We have different expectations in regards to age so were not going to agree on that

When i mentioned Fiz pulling Frank after 3 minutes i was speaking about how maybe only 2 of us were still supporting Frank after that game, it was mostly negative posts in here that night. Jack had said that all of us Knicks fans give Frank a pass for everything so i was just telling him thats not true

You have been consistent with your perspective so we may not agree but i respect that

Not to say i dont respect my Knicks brehs who been up and down with Frank. Have i never gone up and down with my opinions of a player?

 

[Peter Popoff]

And that's the main issue that I have with Knicks fans, not just on this board but in life in general. If this cat wasn't on the Knicks, NOBODY would be talking about him. He'd be Dante Exum status.





Nobody looking for attention. I'm having a basketball conversation.



See, its goofy memes like this are corny. I don't see this type of attention or props when cats like Morris or whomever have great game.

And since we on the topic of Frank finally "developing". What is his ceiling? A 15, 5 & 5 guy? 2nd string backup? Etc?

Skip all that. If Frank does a breakout season scoring double digits on offense, you have to change ya avi to Frank Nitty and ya name to Frank GAWDLikina.

 

[BAMBA]

Let’s all hope Frank and Randle make believers out of all of us so we can finally come together and focus on the important things...like firing Steve Mills...

 

[Peter Popoff]

if Frank keeps workin' on his offense, we might have Kawhi 2.0 brehs

Baby steps bruh, baby steps!

 

[JMurder]

You’re free to disagree.

Playing 4v5 on offense <<< having a defensive anchor clean up any penetration. Unless you believe offensive player that can’t shoot occupying a corner not being guarded is less detrimental than having a defensive player that’s lacking but can be kept up by an actual defensive philosophy and game plan.

I'm not sure what the point of this analogy is when the Knicks were not good at defense at all last year. Defensive philosophy and game plan did not cover for the majority of our bad defenders. So if defensive philosophy and game plan are not a factor, why not just play your best defenders? Especially when your offense only players are bricking.

You guys are so worried about playing 4 vs 5 on offense that you don't realize some teams will put defenders out there who might make it 4 vs 5 anyway.

So you've made your point, here's mine. Good teams ALWAYS place a focus on defense. Think about all of the really good offensive teams and look up their defensive rating. Even the D'Antoni Suns had to be middle of the pack defensively to be a good team. Absolving poor defense because of passing offense is a mistake that will lead only to losing basketball. Think of the Memphis Grizzlies and Detroit Pistons. Poor offensive teams who made the playoffs with tough nosed defense in spite of ugly offenses.

Good teams don't come from good offenses, they come from at least passable defenses. Lastly, I wonder why you never considered that if a defensive philosophy can cover poor defense (which for the most part it can't) then an offensive philosophy or strategy can cover poor offense (which it can when executed properly).