Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[seemorecizzy]

Fun fact: Elfrid Payton made the fifth PG drafted in the top 10 that Fizdale has had to work with and the offense has been trash under all five of 'em.

draft postion doesnt matter.
all 5 of them range from average to trash
and you know this

 

[seemorecizzy]

let me ask y'all something

y'all were excited when Randle signed

now he's trash to y'all

so why was y'all excited in the first place? clearly y'all saw something you liked

so is his play an indicator of him or the franchise/coaching/roster?

i never watched randle play like that
i give everyone who comes to my squad a fresh slate.
after 1 pre season game, i told everyone in here hes not my cup of tea

but people in here are trying to make him da scapegoat. knick fans in general always wan a find a singular thing to blame for da teams failures. whole team is just trash

 

[CantStop]

No we weren't.

that's a lie. once y'all got over that the A free agents dissed yall, y'all were happy to land Randle. stop it

i never watched randle play like that
i give everyone who comes to my squad a fresh slate.
after 1 pre season game, i told everyone in here hes not my cup of tea

but people in here are trying to make him da scapegoat. knick fans in general always wan a find a singular thing to blame for da teams failures. whole team is just trash

rare honesty in this thread

 

[Lurk Angle]

Just counting the days until miller is named interim coach

 

[ISO]

that's a lie. once y'all got over that the A free agents dissed yall, y'all were happy to land Randle. stop it




rare honesty in this thread

Ummm nikka no we weren't. Don't speak for us.

 

[storyteller]

let me ask y'all something

y'all were excited when Randle signed

now he's trash to y'all

so why was y'all excited in the first place? clearly y'all saw something you liked

so is his play an indicator of him or the franchise/coaching/roster?

Ehhhh, the reaction to Randle was mixed and there was healthy skepticism about him before, during and after his signing. A lot of us were concerned about floor spacing having seen what happened to the offense last season without a floor spacer and with everyone knowing Mitch needs to be out there but isn't a spacer. I actually like Randle though and think he can be solid in a good situation and with proper utilization. This isn't the right role for him or fit or offense. Basically my worst fears realized and none of my optimism coming though. Now we gotta pray he figures things out on the fly or that the rotation gets fixed so he's operating in a ton of space and without the defense knowing exactly what's gonna happen whenever he touches the ball.

I put a Randle signing and a D-Lo signing in that category. Betting on improvements and hoping to lord that the player shows no regression whatsoever because it will absolutely kill their value and trap you. But I'm basing that on the assumption that there's so much cap space this summer, somebody will overpay these guys. At reasonable costs, sure I take them.

I wouldn't mind it at all. Though I'd probably skip on Randle. I like his game, but not his long term fit with Robinson (or at least the risk of them not fitting together at Randle's price point).

Here's me preferring to acquire Irsan Ilyasova and a pick over Randle so that we could stay the course and tank another year.

I REALLY hate the idea of adding both. I'm not particularly enthusiastic on adding either of em but one I could see off the production and age. I don't think D-Lo is a number one on a championship team and I don't think Randle is a number two on a championship team. For all intents and purposes, you'd be paying them that kinda money though. So you're paying them hoping that they'll continue to progress, paying for what they might become. Not what they are. Granted I like it better than paying a Butler or a Middleton; I'd rather eat bad contracts and add assets. Maybe you add one of those guys too, but I don't want to devote such a huge chunk of cap space into two guys that we're paying for where they're supposed to get instead of where they're at (especially not ones who couldn't play defense hard in contract years...that's scary, even THJ didn't have that problem).

Here's my first target too...


Ilyasova's contract isn't half bad and his skillset is a logical fit next to Mitch. He'd be a solid stopgap vet with rangy offense and we'd get a pick where some mocks have Samanic or Thybulle around...maybe you can swing on Bazley there too (limited footage has me extremely intrigued).

 

[CantStop]

Ehhhh, the reaction to Randle was mixed and there was healthy skepticism about him before, during and after his signing. A lot of us were concerned about floor spacing having seen what happened to the offense last season without a floor spacer and with everyone knowing Mitch needs to be out there but isn't a spacer. I actually like Randle though and think he can be solid in a good situation and with proper utilization. This isn't the right role for him or fit or offense. Basically my worst fears realized and none of my optimism coming though. Now we gotta pray he figures things out on the fly or that the rotation gets fixed so he's operating in a ton of space and without the defense knowing exactly what's gonna happen whenever he touches the ball.





Here's me preferring to acquire Irsan Ilyasova and a pick over Randle so that we could stay the course and tank another year.

But you like his game, according to those posts. That's my point. Him not being able to fit in isn't on him. It's on the roster, coaching staff, front office. So it has less to do with him being trash and moreso the environment and culture.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Just counting the days until miller is named interim coach

and then everything will be okay? lol

 

[seemorecizzy]

But you like his game, according to those posts. That's my point. Him not being able to fit in isn't on him. It's on the roster, coaching staff, front office. So it has less to do with him being trash and moreso the environment and culture.

its both to b honest

 

[storyteller]

draft postion doesnt matter.
all 5 of them range from average to trash
and you know this

You got more excuses for Fizdale than the biggest Frank heads have for Frank. Dude has had 5 top 10 selected PG's with varying styles, skillsets and mindsets but the offense has literally failed every time. Mudiay is supposed to be his best example of development averaging 9 and 3 right now ...I still can't get over you guys gassing that just to defend Fiz.

 

[ISO]

But you like his game, according to those posts. That's my point. Him not being able to fit in isn't on him. It's on the roster, coaching staff, front office. So it has less to do with him being trash and moreso the environment and culture.

Why do you stick up for this guy so much? His tenure on the Lakers wasn't exactly rosy.

 

[ISO]

You got more excuses for Fizdale than the biggest Frank heads have for Frank. Dude has had 5 top 10 selected PG's with varying styles, skillsets and mindsets but the offense has literally failed every time. Mudiay is supposed to be his best example of development averaging 9 and 3 right now ...I still can't get over you guys gassing that just to defend Fiz.

All those guys are trash you can't be serious. All busts. All team hoppers. All massively flawed. What are you talking about.

I haven't watched Utah this year but 9 points and 3.5 assists in 18 minutes off the bench don't sound bad.

 

[CantStop]

Why do you stick up for this guy so much? His tenure on the Lakers wasn't exactly rosy.

I watched him his entire career. He's a good player, he just has been in terrible situations. He's never been coached by a good coach ever.

Byron Scott
Luke Walton
Alvin Gentry
David Fizdale

those are all bottom 3 coaches when they were coaching

he has only been in tanking situations. I blame him for choosing NY tbh

 

[storyteller]

But you like his game, according to those posts. That's my point. Him not being able to fit in isn't on him. It's on the roster, coaching staff, front office. So it has less to do with him being trash and moreso the environment and culture.

I'm equal opportunity on it. The FO screwed up chasing someone they could point the fanbase at for hope and who didn't fit with out best prospects. The coach has exacerbated that by doing exactly what he did with THJ last year, "here's the ball, you do you and my work is done here." The player is making the same mistakt THJ did "I have the ball...I'm gonna shoot and btw wtf is defense."

I will say this, I'm too pissed to break down last night but what Randle showed in the third was more fight than anyone else and he actually tried on defense. If he did that every time out, he'd be out of NYC's doghouse fast. We're harsh on players but show love when it's earned. Randle is fighting an uphill battle for sure but he COULD make adjustments. I think even the slight move to playing more two-man game with Morris is a step that way but he has to trust everyone else too. He looks Frank off a LOT to bring the ball up when he really isn't built to attack half court sets from the top of the key.

 

[BAMBA]

Byron Scott
Luke Walton
Alvin Gentry
David Fizdale

Everyone owes Randle an apology...​