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[DPresidential]

I don’t know how i feel putting this all on Fiz when it feels like he’s just doing what the FO is asking him to do. They’ve tried to sign guys as reclamation projects to trade or make the organization look good but they did it at the hindrance of the development of their own players. There isn’t a system in the world that can make Morris and Randle and RJ fit together, not to mention in less than a month.
You can’t give him this fukked up team and then blame him when the shyt doesn’t work. Now if Pills told him he could do what he wants, and Fiz’s solution is what we’re seeing then fine, but i seriously can’t believe NO ONE on that bench doesn’t know that he has to bench Randle or Morris. If Fiz goes they all gotta go.

Same.

It is shyt like this that really makes it feel like a curse.

It's like no combination of anything can result in even a basically average product.

I hate to see another coaching change, although I feel like it's going to happen. It feels so embarrassing and I am not going to get my hopes up anymore.

 

[seemorecizzy]

None of this is even true

You mixing me up for someone? Lemme remind you that you and I have had this exact discussion and I called BS that Fiz deserves credit for any of the youth the first time too. In bold is where I pointed out the direction this season could go in and it's EXACTLY what's happening imo. But also notable, I have never given Fiz credit for that crap you bring up to defend him. I actively refuted it and we moved on with "agree to disagree" but I definitely warned about Fiz potentially struggling to set a rotation, build a system for the players to settle into and appeasing vets even when it hurts the team. I said that I'd be mad if that happened; it's happening; I'm mad about it...I've been consistent on this.



And then I went on to say...

so again,
when are young players play well, your saying it has nothing to do with fizz?
but if they play bad its his fault?

 

[MR. Conclusion]

Fiz isn't 100% at fault, but he's the coach. A coach's job is to get the most out of the talent available. He's has not done that.

With that said...this roster is shyt. Not a PG in sight and our "best" player is Randle.

 

[storyteller]

so again,
when are young players play well, your saying it has nothing to do with fizz?
but if they play bad its his fault?

Nah, I'm saying when a player improves visibly, we can credit Fiz. When a player regresses, we look at Fiz too.

What would be foolish and naive, is to give Fizdale credit just because a player showed up good and continued to be the exact same player that they'd always been. That's Mitch and Zo. Mitch even had an uptick, but that was when he had a player mentor and he regressed in his improvements when that guy left.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Invite Dolan to perform at Dyckman and then fans can throw pastelitos at him like they did Safaree

 

[storyteller]

I don’t know how i feel putting this all on Fiz when it feels like he’s just doing what the FO is asking him to do. They’ve tried to sign guys as reclamation projects to trade or make the organization look good but they did it at the hindrance of the development of their own players. There isn’t a system in the world that can make Morris and Randle and RJ fit together, not to mention in less than a month.
You can’t give him this fukked up team and then blame him when the shyt doesn’t work. Now if Pills told him he could do what he wants, and Fiz’s solution is what we’re seeing then fine, but i seriously can’t believe NO ONE on that bench doesn’t know that he has to bench Randle or Morris. If Fiz goes they all gotta go.

The problem is every single coaching pattern we've got is bad and carries over not just from last season but the last one with the Grizz too. Either he's the unluckiest guy in the world, signed up to be a yes man with no autonomy or he's doing a bad job...in all three cases, I won't be upset about replacing him and maybe that will at least get players to stop partying on Saturday nights before games...because to me these Sunday blowouts look like hangover games.

 

[seemorecizzy]

steve mills is among da worse and least accomoplished president/gm's in sports history.
the fact he told dolan this is a great team beand we are losing because of da coach is an attempt to keep his job after selling him.ducktales in da offseason is truely embarrassing

and the fact dat we got some of the fans in here ridin with his beliefs in any way shape or form is pathetic.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Nah, I'm saying when a player improves visibly, we can credit Fiz. When a player regresses, we look at Fiz too.

What would be foolish and naive, is to give Fizdale credit just because a player showed up good and continued to be the exact same player that they'd always been. That's Mitch and Zo. Mitch even had an uptick, but that was when he had a player mentor and he regressed in his improvements when that guy left.

you're not makin any sense champ
sounds like you just have a personal dislike for fizdale. just admit it and keep it movin

mitch and zo did not "show up good". no one expected shyt from them.coming into da season. trier wasnt even drafted. knox is much better today than he was last year.

 

[Columbo]

you're not makin any sense champ
sounds like you just have a personal dislike for fizdale. just admit it and keep it movin

mitch and zo did not "show up good". no one expected shyt from them.coming into da season. trier wasnt even drafted. knox is much better today than he was last year.

I think what he meant was they proved to be serviceable from the beginning. And that Mitch played even better while we had DJ

But Fiz alone has done little to help these two younger players improve

Trier was already skilled enough to get buckets. Mitch was already athletic enough to defend and rebound well.

He wants to know what has Fiz done to improve either one of them?

 

[storyteller]

you're not makin any sense champ
sounds like you just have a personal dislike for fizdale. just admit it and keep it movin

mitch and zo did not "show up good". no one expected shyt from them.coming into da season. trier wasnt even drafted. knox is much better today than he was last year.

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Trier's performance against the Mavericks was his best so far in his early career. He poured home a career-high 23 points, including 14 in the fourth quarter, on a very efficient 8-of-10 shooting over 24 minutes off the bench.

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The 20-year-old rookie also threw down a 180 reverse alley-oop dunk for good measure, too.

It was just the latest display in what the 7-footer can bring to the table for the Knicks, who has be

These are from the beginning of November as rookies.

 

[RickyGQ]

Same.

It is shyt like this that really makes it feel like a curse.

It's like no combination of anything can result in even a basically average product.

I hate to see another coaching change, although I feel like it's going to happen. It feels so embarrassing and I am not going to get my hopes up anymore.

See, i think there is a decent team in this roster. But playing them will cause trouble that i can only assume the Front Office is scared to confront.
Frank
Dot
RJ
Morris
Mitch is a balanced lineup with spacing for RJ and Morris and can play top level defense.

Then you can use the bench to develop DSJ and Knox, with spacing for Randle with Ellington and Taj to protect him on defense a bit. But that leaves Trier and two of your signings on the bench. And now you wasted money cause you can’t even trade them for anything. And you’re gonna have to answer questions about why your paying Randle 23 million to be the 7th man behind Knox.

 

[RickyGQ]

The problem is every single coaching pattern we've got is bad and carries over not just from last season but the last one with the Grizz too. Either he's the unluckiest guy in the world, signed up to be a yes man with no autonomy or he's doing a bad job...in all three cases, I won't be upset about replacing him and maybe that will at least get players to stop partying on Saturday nights before games...because to me these Sunday blowouts look like hangover games.

I feel you. It’s not really a defense of Fiz as much as it’s me feeling like he’s not the only problem. If Fiz isn’t the guy then Perry and Mills have to with him.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

See, i think there is a decent team in this roster. But playing them will cause trouble that i can only assume the Front Office is scared to confront.
Frank
Dot
RJ
Morris
Mitch is a balanced lineup with spacing for RJ and Morris and can play top level defense.

Then you can use the bench to develop DSJ and Knox, with spacing for Randle with Ellington and Taj to protect him in defense a bit. But that leaves Trier and one of two of your signings on the bench. And now you wasted money cause you can’t even trade them for anything. And you’re gonna have to answer questions about why your paying Randle 23 million to be the 7th man behind Knox.

I mean... we have vastly different ideas of what 'decent' means because if the three best players on your team are Barrett/Morris/Randle, it really should be no surprise the team is the worst in the NBA. At best, with peak coaching and rotations, you're looking at a 30 win team.

 

[Ty-Fife]

Missed the game last night and looking at the final score, I'm glad I did.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Problem is the Knicks from the top down lack common sense and can't make common sense moves

Me as a regular NBA fan most likely has more common sense than the FO

Don't sign Randle he was obviously playing for a contract last year

Morris? For what when Knox needs to develop as a player

Fizdale would have never been hired. I would have gone w/ coach Bud

RJ needs shooters around him or he will be much less effective due to poor spacing...so
sign shooters

FO drafted a non-shooter and surrounded him w/ non shooters who hog the ball

Stick to the youth movement w/ Frank, Knox, Mitch, Trier, RJ, and maybe Dotson

RJ is your franchise? Then run the offense through him and make him rise and fall because he's going to have to learn somehow.

Nah let's run the offense through butter fingers Randle

Y'all going to ruin RJ aren't you?

ALSO WHY DID THE KNICKS TRADE KP AGAIN?