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Jokes aside, I am honestly not sure if Fizdale should be fired this season. It will be very interesting to see how the team responds tonight, knowing their coach’s job might be on the line, we’ll see if they have his back and correct some of the errors they’ve been consistently making. If they don’t, then that might be a sign that he is not the right coach for them...at which point just let Fiz go already.
Completely agree. If the knicks come out firing and beat the bulls, fiz might of bought some time because it shows he hasn’t lost the locker.

But if they get embarrassed again, then that hot seat just became scolding hot and I don’t think he makes to the next game.
 

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Y’all think Pop a magician it ain’t that simple

Dejounte still can’t shoot a lick and he averaging 23 minutes a game

You think Pop has patience for Frank’s bullshyt? Y’all got on Fiz for benching Frank that first game but Pop would have been even worse.

Not that Pop developing Frank is some foregone conclusion, but this post is a pretty obvious reach. Murray is on load management because of the knee injury last year.

Spurs' Dejounte Murray: To have minutes limited

Murray is expected to be limited to around 20 minutes Monday against Portland, Jeff McDonald of the San Antonio Express-News reports. He'll also be held out of one-half of back-to-back sets early on.

Coach Gregg Popovich described his plan for Murray's minutes as "5-5-5-5," implying that the guard will play around five minutes in each quarter Monday. If that holds up, it would actually be a reduction compared to his first two games, in which he's played 23 and 24 minutes, respectively. Eventually, Murray figures to be given a longer leash, but the Spurs are being cautious in the short-term after Murray missed all of last season with a torn ACL. San Antonio's first back-to-back set of the season arrives later in the week with games Thursday (at LAC) and Friday (at GSW). Expect Murray to sit out one of those contests,
 

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bu bu but frank is so great defensively

this ain't football u dweebs. he's a 0 on offense. he has the aggression of @ikbm around women

can't shoot. oops I mean won't shoot.

he's a PG who can't even demand the ball from vets cause he's shook of them

scared of driving in the paint to score or create

has no mid range

I bet he's reached double digit assists less than 5x in his career

but he's so amazing because instead of his man scoring 25, they'll score 18 while Frank is giving you a season high 8 points

the only reason he gets love here is because he's so shook and invisible that you can't hate on him for not fukking things up because he doesn't by doing nothing. while other guys are trying to make things happen so it's obvious to the naked eye and easier to criticize
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Detroit pistons when they had their championship run?:dahell:
How big of a part did he play in the first run? I know he started with Pistons as a scout and then became Director as Player Personnel. Correct me if I'm wrong but that would make him probably 4th or 5th in Front Office hierarchy (President, GM, Assistant GM, Director of Scouting). And depending on the team a coach makes a lot of decisions too, especially since Larry Brown was there.

But I do know that he was VP of Basketball Operations when he came back to Pistons 08-12. And they went under .500 all 4 seasons and mostly under 30 wins and worst of all terrible rebuild job.

Then he was in Orlando and Sacramento :francis:
 

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How big of a part did he play in the first run? I know he started with Pistons as a scout and then became Director as Player Personnel. Correct me if I'm wrong but that would make him probably 4th or 5th in Front Office hierarchy (President, GM, Assistant GM, Director of Scouting). And depending on the team a coach makes a lot of decisions too, especially since Larry Brown was there.

But I do know that he was VP of Basketball Operations when he came back to Pistons 08-12. And they went under .500 all 4 seasons and mostly under 30 wins and worse off all terrible rebuild job.

Then he was in Orlando and Sacramento :francis:
Hey all I know is he played a part in their front office:yeshrug:

plus he was involved in drafting Durant.
 

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Hey all I know is he played a part in their front office:yeshrug:

plus he was involved in drafting Durant.
2007 was a two man draft :manny:

David Gettleman is trying to claim two Giants Superbowls he "won" as a scout, I'm not counting that shyt :hubie:
 

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Wait, so Mike Miller is already an assistant coach with the team? I didn’t know but at the same time kind of feel like I read that already.
Yes, he's been with Knicks since the summer.

Development-focused Knicks add ex-Westchester coach Mike Miller to staff
By Brian Lewis

August 19, 2019 | 3:47pm

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The Knicks have rounded out their coaching staff for next season with former Westchester coach Mike Miller.

Miller — not to be confused with the sharpshooting former NBA champ with the Heat — won G League Coach of the Year in 2017-18. Now he gets a promotion to the NBA, filling the last vacancy on David Fizdale’s bench. Miller neatly fits the player-development ethos the Knicks are trying to instill.

“Mike is an accomplished and respected coach who has been an integral member of the Knicks family the last four years with Westchester,” Fizdale said in a statement. “Mike is a great addition to the staff, a relentless worker who shares our approach to the game with an expertise in player development.”

Derrick Alston, Miller’s former assistant, will get bumped up to G League head coach.

Miller, 55, is an extended part of the Spurs coaching tree. Though he never worked under Gregg Popovich, he was an assistant with the Austin Toros, the Spurs’ G League squad.

Miller inherited a Westchester team in 2015 that was coming off a horrible 10-40 season. He went 108-92 in four seasons, including a 61-39 mark the past two seasons with consecutive trips to the conference finals and a G League-high nine NBA call-ups, though that was due in part to the Knicks’ sorry roster.

Miller’s promotion fills an opening created when assistant Howard Eisley left to take a spot on Juwan Howard’s new Michigan Wolverines staff. He rounds out a group that includes Jud Buechler, Kaleb Canales, Royal Ivey, Keith Smart and Pat Sullivan.
 

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people just talking... Murray made second team all defense with pop and isn’t THAT much better of a defender than Frank...
So what? Frank is an All-NBA caliber defender.

Dejounte still can’t shoot that’s the area where he’s needed development.
 

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Honestly, brehs...

We've been through a lot.

I don't think, as a fanbase, we can survive yet another house cleaning.

I might retire my jersey.:mjcry:

:francis: I feel the same. Like come the fukk on it’s been how many coaches since D’antoni? How many GMs? How many players?

it’s to the point I am just gonna fall like it’s the mid 2000’s.
 

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people just talking... Murray made second team all defense with pop and isn’t THAT much better of a defender than Frank...
Let’s not forget that Frank was essentially unplayable his first two years due to how weak his game was (his first year he had trouble bringing the ball up :wtf:). Pop would never allow a player to continually get minutes while playing 15+ minutes contributing 0/0/0. The amount of times Frank has done this is incredible :dead:
 
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Honestly, brehs...

We've been through a lot.

I don't think, as a fanbase, we can survive yet another house cleaning.

I might retire my jersey.:mjcry:

I really believe I'm in the minority on this, but it feels like we've been inching closer each time. We went from trading draft picks to conserving them under Phil to acquiring them under Mills. Phil conserved cap space but whiffed when he got his shot on older vets with long contracts; Mills and Perry swung on younger guys on shorter contracts...still whiffed but the damage control is built into the deals; and from the Phil era the one absolute positive is that we've converted Westchester to a real development ground. Both Phil and Mills have utilized it to build up young promising guys and second round picks so that they can be useful role players. Chasson Randle and Travis Wear became Langston Galloway and then you get to Dot and Kornet who both grew by legitimate leaps out of the Westchester pipeline we developed.

It's unfortunately been way too long and it's understandable why heads are ready to jump off the train...but there's a lot of promising developments in the building blocks. Barrett, Mitch, Knox, Frank all are showing promise right now in spite of their circumstances; I still got hope for DSJ, Dot and Trier if they can get consistent roles; and if the wheels fall off this year than we are looking at a REALLY promising draft class to pick up top inside of.

The constant turnover in the front office sucks, the signs of ineptitude are an absolute morale killer but credit where it's due; we've actually been advancing along in the "process" part...and Mike Miller is at least an interesting interim coach option if we reset. Check this:

Could Westchester Knicks coach Mike Miller be the right guy for the big club?

Maybe the most important item when finding a new Knicks coach, the Dubs posted elite defensive numbers across the board this season: Miller’s team finished third overall in opponent FG% at 44.4 and second in points allowed per game at 101.5. Defense was a goal all year for Westchester, despite the team’s revolving door of talent throughout the season.

I think one of the things that happened is, when Trey Burke signed and was gone, we knew that was a big piece of offense that was gone,” Miller said. “We sat down with our group and said, if we don’t become one of the top defensive teams — we had set out to be one of the top five defensive teams, that was something we talked about, we wanted to be one of the best top five teams — and we weren’t there. So we kept moving that way, and got better and better in the second half of the season. I think we defended very well.

One slight area of concern is a problem that has plagued the big Knicks the last two years under Jeff Hornacek — the W-Knicks finished 23rd of 26 teams in 3-pointers attempted with 25.5 per game, and 21st in threes made with 9.9. One silver lining there, however, is that they shot 37.8 percent, which was good for third in the league.

That stat doesn’t overly concern me, however, considering midrange maestro Trey Burke was dropping 30 a game for over half the season in Westchester. Clearly, Miller was playing to the strengths of his players, and that’s an admirable trait.

Let’s segue right on into the third P, Player Development. Miller and the W-Knicks had a G League-high five call-ups this season, tied with the Northern Arizona Suns.

Granted, three of those went to Nigel Hayes with three separate teams, but the results were clearly there (the other two were Trey Burke, obviously, and Xavier Rathan-Mayes). Couple that with the progress that Damyean Dotson, Luke Kornet and Isaiah Hicks showed from their time at the small club, and the record for development this year is pretty iron-clad.

“I think we saw some of our players as they progressed and they were successful,” Miller said. “That’s what we’re after. If we had Nigel, Nigel practiced with us two days last week... it was Friday night after the first-round game when we figured out he was going to go to play for the Kings the rest of the season. And we were happy as anybody was, players, coaches, happy that he had that opportunity. And had one of the other guys gotten [a call-up] yesterday, we would have been happy for him.


“That’s what it is, that’s what it’s about. And the guys that are here now, it’s been next guy up. We keep it going, this is who we are. And I give the credit to the guys that we started the year with, to create the culture and really buy into it and go through the process with us.”


Kind of sounds like a perfect mentality from a coach that will likely inherit one of the youngest rosters in the NBA next year, right?


So, with that, my message to the Knicks is quite simple: don’t overthink it. Maybe that perfect recipe for success is right in front of your nose.
If they handed the keys to this guy and prepped to move some vets when 12/15 comes along...make a real, honest shift to one more year of development...position themselves to pick top 10 if not get lucky in the lottery...then I think finding a long term GM and Coach might actually work out whether Miller is the guy or someone else. We're closer than we look. One year you're Phoenix 2018/2019...the next year you're Phoenix 2019/2020. The skeleton is building, but we need to either develop someone into the heart that pumps and brings it all to life (all eyes on RJ) or find him in the draft (There ought to be a few guys with that type of upside in the draft from the early looks I've had).
 
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