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[Wargames]

LOL @ kenny is a good coach, man you guys didn't watch Nets games i see

this guy in game adjustments is putrid, so many W's he blew and the fact that he doesn't believe in any post play i don't want him at all

i rather mike miller

What post player is on the knicks roster? Mitch would be in the same role as Jarret Allen in his offense, but would be asked to pass more.

Like I understand the in game adjustments issue and that is reminiscent of D’antoni (who he worked for), but the Knicks need player development more than anything else. We all agree we need 3 pt shooters and a solid year of playing the youth in a system where they have assigned roles and tasks. That is what he does. Kyrie having issues with a coach isn’t new, and BK didn’t fire him so much as it seems he saw the writing on the wall and quit.

Miller should stay for defense and then let’s see what we have in a few seasons. Miller isn’t going to be the coach because if that was the plan they wouldn’t have him interviewing for his own job. When they decided to keep Woodson after D’antoni they didn’t force him to interview for his job.

Thibs is everything wrong with Knicks coaching hires In the last few decades. He’s a big name, but he hasn’t coached as well in years, people in the FO know him, his Defensive system is considered outdated by everyone but Knick fans in denial ignore that. His offense is also bad (remember the triangle.... he runs that offense), The fans of his last team are telling anyone who asks that he isn’t that good of a coach anymore. That’s also ignoring the fact he overplays players,

 

[Wargames]

 

[storyteller]

I'm not keen on Thibs either, but I think his flaws are reaching meme levels of overstatement. He needs to adjust his defense for sure, but I think you can still build from forcing screen and rolls to the sidelines. His offenses are surprisingly higher performing across his career than I'd thought although I can't claim they've ever impressed me on eye test. Most important, at least he'd push a structure and philosophy. I also don't know about his issues with young players because his Bulls all love him and I have more questions about KAT/Wiggins' mentalities than I trust their evaluation of a coach connecting.

All of that said...I feel like Thibs' pros mostly overlap with Miller. Good defensive coach, clear structures for offense/defense, focuses on details in execution which should benefit young guys...some cons too tbh; lacks creativity, relied too much on vets, questions about his rotation choices and minutes distribution. But with Mike Miller you get the added benefits of already having a connection to the youth currently on the roster; continuity for his system from this season carrying into next; and overachieved from the benchmarks set by his predecessor

All that said, gimme Atkinson for player development over either of 'em. Miller over Thibs for me. Thibs is the tough pill to swallow but not the worst. Mark Jackson's the only one where I'll struggle to offer patience if things look bad out the gate. I didn't like Jackson in GS, the stories afterward are insanity and I think there's a reason he's never gotten picked up since then.

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

Thibs is the only coach I can remember who said he wanted to be here. He said he would crawl to Manhattan if the Knicks offered him the job. You can’t say that for our recent coaches who looked at it as an opportunity instead of a life dream. We need players and coaches who look at the Knicks as a place they want to be instead of a come up or paycheck.

 

[NatiboyB]

Why Thibs? Come on for real why Thibs?

 

[OsO]

I'll take Thibs in a heart beat. I always loved how his teams played. I remember when he was coaching the Bulls and they were a top team in the east with D Rose. Rose got hurt for an extended period and the TEAM still played well and held their playoff position. That's how you know it's a good team culture, when one player (maybe even the star player) goes down and the quality of the play remains somewhat consistent. That's why those old Spurs teams would blow you off the court with their 6-10 guys because it's a culture thing.

His run in Minnesota was a sh*t show though, not really sure what happened there.

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

Why Thibs? Come on for real why Thibs?

We gave Fisher, Rambis, Hornacek and Fizdale a shot. A guy with a winning record can’t hurt.

 

[Wargames]

Not even going to argue with people’s opinion but Thibs ain’t the move.

We been on this Legit good run of low key come ups and now we chasing the big name coach who failed his last job spectacularly cause he use to be nice?!?

That’s pure Dolan mentality, you cannot support Thibs and then want to shyt on Dolan, because you’re thinking like Dolan.

 

[NatiboyB]

We gave Fisher, Rambis, Hornacek and Fizdale a shot. A guy with a winning record can’t hurt.

It has to be an up and coming assistant coach or college coach...If Thibs couldn’t do much with the twolves do you really want him to coach the Knicks...I thought new things were coming for the Knicks like a new direction.

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

It has to be an up and coming assistant coach or college coach...If Thibs couldn’t do much with the twolves do you really want him to coach the Knicks...I thought new things were coming for the Knicks like a new direction.

What if no one wants to come here? Do we do the same thing and offer them an amount they can’t refuse like we did with Phil Jackson? Players, coaches and the media shyt on the Knicks. At least we have people who want to be here. Rose, RJ Barrett and Thibs see this as a place they want to be at. I rather have that them someone looking for money.

 

[Wargames]

What if no one wants to come here? Do we do the same thing and offer them an amount they can’t refuse like we did with Phil Jackson? Players, coaches and the media shyt on the Knicks. At least we have people who want to be here. Rose, RJ Barrett and Thibs see this as a place they want to be at. I rather have that them someone looking for money.

Yeah but all those groups shyt on the knicks cause they throw the bag at coaches like Thibs and then expect miracles.

 

[NatiboyB]

you are an actual Knicks fan I just don’t see why a developing team wouldn’t go with a younger up and coming coach I’m sure it’s other names to interview
Either way it shouldn’t be a hurry.

What if no one wants to come here? Do we do the same thing and offer them an amount they can’t refuse like we did with Phil Jackson? Players, coaches and the media shyt on the Knicks. At least we have people who want to be here. Rose, RJ Barrett and Thibs see this as a place they want to be at. I rather have that them someone looking for money.

 

[storyteller]

Not even going to argue with people’s opinion but Thibs ain’t the move.

We been on this Legit good run of low key come ups and now we chasing the big name coach who failed his last job spectacularly cause he use to be nice?!?

That’s pure Dolan mentality, you cannot support Thibs and then want to shyt on Dolan, because you’re thinking like Dolan.

Rose has earned the benefit of a doubt by making those clever low key plays imo. He hasn't gone name chasing yet, so I don't think it's fair to assume that's what's behind the Thibs interest. That's not to say Rose won't wind up just chasing names in the bigger roles like roster and coach, but just that so far we haven't seen that motivation. It feels like Rose had a plan and brought in people who a) he has a personal connection with thus trusts and b) who had some sort of desire to be in NYC (Brock Aller story coming to mind). Thibs fits both of those criteria just as much if not moreso than being a big name (because at this point his name has been dragged through the mud).

Just to reiterate my stance on him though, Thibs is low on my totem pole but above unacceptable.

 

[storyteller]

you are an actual Knicks fan I just don’t see why a developing team wouldn’t go with a younger up and coming coach I’m sure it’s other names to interview
Either way it shouldn’t be a hurry.

They're interviewing Atkinson and Miller for sure as well. It just sounds like Thibs is the front runner and has connections to Rose which make him seem like a shoe-in.

 

[Kitsch]

In Rose we trust.