Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[RubioTheCruel]

I’ll let you brehs continue your frank hating spree. Y’all got it.... let’s see who y’all shyt on next year.

It'd be helpful if your 'PG' could do simple things like shoot or break down an opposing defense. Frank does neither. At best he's a defensive specialist that provides zero offensively.

 

[seemorecizzy]

He's a bad player with one elite skill.

He's a career 6/2/3 guy on 36/31/78 splits that is not a good player.

i said he isnt a bad player
i never said he was a good player lol

he could have a potential role on this team,
but hes a disappointment. hes more of a second round pick

 

[ISO]

i said he isnt a bad player

He is

 

[Ironman]

 

[Miles Davis]

Y’all been holding this shyt in since March? Let it out, I know y’all season got cut short too

 

[RickyGQ]

This is what’s wrong with knicks fans. You cats have no fukking patience at all. Dude is showing some flashes all throughout last year which most knicks brehs in here agreed but you wanna get rid of him already. What’s next, Knox ain’t showing shyt let’s get rid of him and the next year RJ ain’t showing shyt let’s get rid of him. We haven’t kept a pick since like Charlie ward y’all want to get rid of someone ASAP. Look at other factors.... this team hasn’t had a consistent coaching staff in franks nba career. Young players need mentoring and direction and this team has offered none of it. Maybe your anger should be directed elsewhere.

nikkas using players in great organizations being developed to shyt on players on a team that doesn’t even have a shooting coach.

 

[RickyGQ]

Dude is ass they won’t stop caping for him.

His defense is overrated he somehow managed to foul at a career high rate last season. Nearly 4.5 fouls per 36 minutes.

Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo are arguably the best players on their teams heading into the second round of the playoffs.

Frank is 22 and going into year 4 yet they still gonna treat him with kiddie gloves with every excuse in the book.

We wasted our 8th pick on a defensive player when those could literally be had later in the draft, plucked from overseas, or in the undrafted pool.

OKC has a guy named Luguentz Dort. He was undrafted, Canadian prospect from Arizona State. It was his rookie year he’s a year younger than Frank. Also a combo guard raw offensively and gifted defensively.

6’4 in shoes with 6’9 wingspan, chiseled 220 lb. not a frail boy like Frank. He actually has a first step and a 38.5 inch vert.

Dort and Frank numbers are similar even with Frank having the experience edge and he out here defending James Harden in the playoffs and has been un-screenable for OKC.



OKC paid this man $155,000 this year. They resigned him to a 4 year, $5.5M deal. We’re paying the p*ssy boy Ntilikina $6M next season and have paid him $11M to date while he’s been here he’s been one of the worst offensive guards in basketball.

We LOST for as much as those nerds on Knicks Twitter, Knicks Film School cacs, and Knicks Coli brehs want to hype him and salvage the pick he is a bust. Him and Knox have been two of the worst selections in Knicks history they have set this franchise back. I can only imagine where we'd be had we went with the hometown kid Donovan Mitchell and took Mikal Bridges.

So the Knicks shouldn’t utilize his strengths like the Thunder utilize Dort because he was picked 8th?

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

I still prefer guys like Cole, Lewis, or whoever else is BPA
I need to watch more tape of Vassell

 

[ISO]

nikkas using players in great organizations being developed to shyt on players on a team that doesn’t even have a shooting coach.

NBA teams having shooting coaches hired on staff is not the norm that's why players have their own individual coaches and so many of these coaches like Lethal Shooter, Rico Hines, Chris Brickley and Dirk's German shooting coach have become mini basketball celebrities.

This is an old article but only 6 out of 30 NBA teams had a shooting coach on staff...
Actual Job: Teaching NBA Players to Shoot

Stop scapegoating the Knicks coaching the real work happens in the offseason. It's no coaches fault that Frank can't do basic PG things like hitting above the break three pointers, not picking up his dribble when slashing to the basket, telegraphing P&R passes, or why he is mentally soft and can't impose his will on offense or get to the FT line.

 

[ISO]

So the Knicks shouldn’t utilize his strengths like the Thunder utilize Dort because he was picked 8th?

No. The point is we took a player with a second round to undrafted type value with an 8th pick.

 

[RickyGQ]

No. The point is we took a player with a second round to undrafted type value with an 8th pick.

My nikka, that’s an argument as to not want to pay him big money this off season...
We’ve been on here screaming for the past couple of years, that Franks talents are useful to a team. You proved our point by trying to use Dort as an example to shyt on Frank because he was picked 8th and Dort was undrafted. How does it make sense that the Thunder found use for their undrafted player in the playoffs and the Knicks, who used resources on a similar player, JUST figured out how to use him effectively 3 weeks before quarantine?

 

[TOAD99]

I mean nobody can argue that as an 8th pick, Frank is underwhelming as hell

he is an ok player, but what a waste of a lottery (and first round pick)

that being said, he’s knicks fam and on a cheap contract, might as well keep him

 

[ISO]

JUST figured out how to use him effectively 3 weeks before quarantine?

U just saying anything at this point.

Frank should be much better than Dort.

An 8th pick that we've wasted so much time and money on (4 years, $17M) who we believed could become our franchise PG should not be producing to the rate he's producing at. But y'all don't give a fukk apparently disingenous nikkas.

 

[RickyGQ]

NBA teams having shooting coaches hired on staff is not the norm that's why players have their own individual coaches and so many of these coaches like Lethal Shooter, Rico Hines, Chris Brickley and Dirk's German shooting coach have become mini basketball celebrities.

This is an old article but only 6 out of 30 NBA teams had a shooting coach on staff...
Actual Job: Teaching NBA Players to Shoot

Stop scapegoating the Knicks coaching the real work happens in the offseason. It's no coaches fault that Frank can't do basic PG things like hitting above the break three pointers, not picking up his dribble when slashing to the basket, telegraphing P&R passes, or why he is mentally soft and can't impose his will on offense or get to the FT line.

Cam Reddish was on pace to have the worst shooting season of any rookie ever. The Hawks coaching staff, did their fukking jobs, took him into film sessions and noticed that if he just straightened his feet he could get a more consistent release. His numbers improved significantly month after month before the seasons stopped. This isn’t just about shooting coaches. It’s about a franchise that has a shyt load of young players doing nothing to actually develop them. If your plan is to wait until the off season for the player to improve on his own than your are a shyt organization. There’s a reason we as fans are for the first time excited about fukking assistant coaches who have track records of putting work in with players DURING the season.

RJ was horrendous from the free throw line most of the year. Not a single article, interview or comment from anyone in the organization about what they think the problem is and how they plan on fixing it.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that certain organizations consistently seem to “find” talent while others seem to consistently draft busts. Good organizations find ways to make the best out of what they’re given while bad organizations fukk them up. Only the transcendent prospects are able to overcome those circumstances and there are like 2-3 of those each draft.

 

[RickyGQ]

I mean nobody can argue that as an 8th pick, Frank is underwhelming as hell

he is an ok player, but what a waste of a lottery (and first round pick)

that being said, he’s knicks fam and on a cheap contract, might as well keep him

nikka just talking at this point. We’ve conceded that point years ago. The argument has always been, can he play, can he contribute to winning in the nba and the answer is yes. But since he was the 8th pick and isn’t scoring 16 pts a night he’s useless.