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[ISO]

Cam Reddish was on pace to have the worst shooting season of any rookie ever. The Hawks coaching staff, did their fukking jobs, took him into film sessions and noticed that if he just straightened his feet he could get a more consistent release. His numbers improved significantly month after month before the seasons stopped. This isn’t just about shooting coaches. It’s about a franchise that has a shyt load of young players doing nothing to actually develop them. If your plan is to wait until the off season for the player to improve on his own than your are a shyt organization. There’s a reason we as fans are for the first time excited about fukking assistant coaches who have track records of putting work in with players DURING the season.

RJ was horrendous from the free throw line most of the year. Not a single article, interview or comment from anyone in the organization about what they think the problem is and how they plan on fixing it.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that certain organizations consistently seem to “find” talent while others seem to consistently draft busts. Good organizations find ways to make the best out of what they’re given while bad organizations fukk them up. Only the transcendent prospects are able to overcome those circumstances and there are like 2-3 of those each draft.

All this Juelz'ing.

If you think the coaches just throw the balls out at practice and do nothing with these players yousa fool.

FT shooting there's nothing wrong with R.J.'s FT form it's a mental issue with him he shoots thousands of FT's in practice over the course of a season. FT shooting is one of those things that remain constant throughout a players career. But that's the hill you want to die on.

We don't seem to consistently draft busts. We've drafted guys like Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Nate Robinson, David Lee, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler that were all solid 10 year pros. We drafted Landry Fields and Iman Shumpert who had promising rookie years and their development was stunted by injuries. We drafted Kristaps Porzingis, Mitchell Robinson, R.J. Barrett, etc.

These bum ass nikkas Knox and Ntilikina are really the only busts we drafted they're two of the worst draft picks in Knicks history. The media wants everyone to think that we draft busts when the truth is we have a solid draft track record we've just never been given the top pick since 1985.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

I'd never start Frank. Bad move. Keep RJ at the 2 and bring Frank off the bench as a back up point guard kinda like a Tyrone Lue on defense in the Lakers day or Pat Beverley.

I'd pull Iggy outta the D league's and give him that 3 position if anything then play Gallo at the 4. Good shooters, equal defense, great spacing. Frank could be a back up defender for the second unit and easily hide the weakness of Randles chucking ass at the backup center.

It's kinda a toss up between Knox and Iggy starting but that little 3/4 combo rotation between Iggy, Knox, Gallo playing with Mitch starting will make that spacing look beautiful and give Mitch some nice lobs. RJ is also a great passer. If you get a high pace PG like Lewis in that starting lineup it will be nice and being that he's a rookie, you can split those minutes with Frank.

Love this breakdown

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

I'd never start Frank. Bad move. Keep RJ at the 2 and bring Frank off the bench as a back up point guard kinda like a Tyrone Lue on defense in the Lakers day or Pat Beverley.

I'd pull Iggy outta the D league's and give him that 3 position if anything then play Gallo at the 4. Good shooters, equal defense, great spacing. Frank could be a back up defender for the second unit and easily hide the weakness of Randles chucking ass at the backup center.

It's kinda a toss up between Knox and Iggy starting but that little 3/4 combo rotation between Iggy, Knox, Gallo playing with Mitch starting will make that spacing look beautiful and give Mitch some nice lobs. RJ is also a great passer. If you get a high pace PG like Lewis in that starting lineup it will be nice and being that he's a rookie, you can split those minutes with Frank.

if Frank improves his 3pt shooting he could potentially play 3 &D SG if Thibs decides to play RJ at the 3

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

at Tatum not being good on the Knicks as if he’s anywhere near comparable to that scrub Ntilikina as a hooper

Jaylen Brown literally linked with T-Mac on his own accord in the offseason and stole his pump fake relocation and post footwork literally identical

Some players have that dog in them to improve and be factors in this league and some don’t.

Tatum and brown are not as good with this coaching staff! They got Marcus smart as a key cog for years and he’d be garbage on the knicks.

 

[ISO]

Tatum and brown are not as good with this coaching staff! They got Marcus smart as a key cog for years and he’d be garbage on the knicks.

No they would not.

They’re actual good players and they’d be so anywhere.

Why wasn’t Porzingis trash on the Knicks?

How come Mitchell Robinson isn’t trash?

 

[RickyGQ]

All this Juelz'ing.

If you think the coaches just throw the balls out at practice and do nothing with these players yousa fool.

FT shooting there's nothing wrong with R.J.'s FT form it's a mental issue with him he shoots thousands of FT's in practice over the course of a season. FT shooting is one of those things that remain constant throughout a players career. But that's the hill you want to die on.

We don't seem to consistently draft busts. We've drafted guys like Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Nate Robinson, David Lee, Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler that were all solid 10 year pros. We drafted Landry Fields and Iman Shumpert who had promising rookie years and their development was stunted by injuries. We drafted Kristaps Porzingis, Mitchell Robinson, R.J. Barrett, etc.

These bum ass nikkas Knox and Ntilikina are really the only busts we drafted they're two of the worst draft picks in Knicks history. The media wants everyone to think that we draft busts when the truth is we have a solid draft track record we've just never been given the top pick since 1985.

Those were whole other regimes... what the fukk are you talking about...

RJ Barrett barely improved over the season and might not make second team all rookie. As the number 3 pick in the draft. Let that sink in... Coaching staff couldn’t get Mitchell Robinson to not stop fouling until DeAndre Jordan was traded to the team.

We actually had development guys on the team when Kristaps was drafted. Chris Brickley was literally on that staff. Then Phil Jackson fired them.

Fizdale had the LEAST amount of assistant coaches in his staff by far in the league. These things matter.

 

[RickyGQ]

No they would not.

They’re actual good players and they’d be so anywhere.

Why wasn’t Porzingis trash on the Knicks?

How come Mitchell Robinson isn’t trash?

We started Taj Gibson over Mitchell Robinson for most of the season....

 

[ISO]

Those were whole other regimes... what the fukk are you talking about...

RJ Barrett barely improved over the season and might not make second team all rookie. As the number 3 pick in the draft. Let that sink in... Coaching staff couldn’t get Mitchell Robinson to not stop fouling until DeAndre Jordan was traded to the team.

We actually had development guys on the team when Kristaps was drafted. Chris Brickley was literally on that staff. Then Phil Jackson fired them.

Fizdale had the LEAST amount of assistant coaches in his staff by far in the league. These things matter.

1. The Knicks have been made fun of for draft decisions for the last 15 years. In the last 5 years we’ve gotten several good value picks relative to draft position. Knox and Ntilikina are the only trash nikkas.

2. R.J. was being sabotaged by poor spacing and the Randle Handle. He’s better than this but he has a lot of flaws. All things considered he was an above average rookie. R.J. is actually a dog with talent and motor and desire to be great so I’m confident he will improve.

3. The sample size of DeAndre being here isn’t large enough and obviously his lessons did not stick because Mitchell still can’t stop fouling. Stay on topic why aren’t Mitchell Robinson and Kristaps Porzingis trash? Jayson Tatum would be trash on the Knicks right? fukk his skillset and mentality.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

No they would not.

They’re actual good players and they’d be so anywhere.

Why wasn’t Porzingis trash on the Knicks?

How come Mitchell Robinson isn’t trash?

Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?!

I didn’t say anything about them being trash I just said they wouldn’t be as good without the coaching they’ve received.

never mentioned porzingis or robinson either. We all know Knox and frank were projects when drafted and needed work.

 

[ISO]

Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?!

I didn’t say anything about them being trash I just said they wouldn’t be as good without the coaching they’ve received.

never mentioned porzingis or robinson either. We all know Knox and frank were projects when drafted and needed work.

Porzingis and Robinson were called “projects” too.

If those players were on the Knicks the Knicks would simply be a way better team considered one of the East’s young bright teams. This is what Tatum was always going to be.

 

[Peter Popoff]

if Frank improves his 3pt shooting he could potentially play 3 &D SG if Thibs decides to play RJ at the 3

I agree. He could play a 2 on some small ball rotations putting RJ at 3 and getting one of them speedy pgs from the draft to run the point.

Hopefully, Thibs can use this lineup based on matchups. That is one thing, I hated about last year's offense. We knew who was starting.

With someone competent, let's say you have a team like Houston. You'll need Frank at point to hold Harden but against the clippers, you'd want him at 2 to hold Paul George and RJ on Kawhi. It varies on matchups, not just forcing talent out there and crossing your fingers that they'll perform.

Although it was luck that we got some wins on Dallas, it was because we outmatched them with the same predictable lineup. Frank on Doncic and Taj on PoorWeakKnees shut them down although they had more talent.

That's why I ignore that bullshyt about Frank/Knox sucking because it really was shytty coaching and office. That poor ass starting lineup had no organization outside of Morris. Stevie Wonder could've done a better job.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Men lie Women lie numbers don’t lie

 

[Wargames]

I'd never start Frank. Bad move. Keep RJ at the 2 and bring Frank off the bench as a back up point guard kinda like a Tyrone Lue on defense in the Lakers day or Pat Beverley.

I'd pull Iggy outta the D league's and give him that 3 position if anything then play Gallo at the 4. Good shooters, equal defense, great spacing. Frank could be a back up defender for the second unit and easily hide the weakness of Randles chucking ass at the backup center.

It's kinda a toss up between Knox and Iggy starting but that little 3/4 combo rotation between Iggy, Knox, Gallo playing with Mitch starting will make that spacing look beautiful and give Mitch some nice lobs. RJ is also a great passer. If you get a high pace PG like Lewis in that starting lineup it will be nice and being that he's a rookie, you can split those minutes with Frank.

This makes so much sense, but let’s see if the FO ever learns.

 

[RickyGQ]

1. The Knicks have been made fun of for draft decisions for the last 15 years. In the last 5 years we’ve gotten several good value picks relative to draft position. Knox and Ntilikina are the only trash nikkas.

2. R.J. was being sabotaged by poor spacing and the Randle Handle. He’s better than this but he has a lot of flaws. All things considered he was an above average rookie. R.J. is actually a dog with talent and motor and desire to be great so I’m confident he will improve.

3. The sample size of DeAndre being here isn’t large enough and obviously his lessons did not stick because Mitchell still can’t stop fouling. Stay on topic why aren’t Mitchell Robinson and Kristaps Porzingis trash? Jayson Tatum would be trash on the Knicks right? fukk his skillset and mentality.

i admitted that the few transcendent players can overcome bad organizations. But, Jayson Tatum, Donovan Mitchell etc would not look like they do now on the Knicks. They would be budding stars with big flaws like Mitchell Robinson and RJ are right now. That’s just a fact. I guarantee that RJ would be in the convo for Rookie of the Year if he was on the Jazz or something. RJ being sabotaged by poor spacing is poor development and organizational failure. I never said he was a bust. But he looks worse here, like Knox and Frank do because this specific regime that was just replaced was terrible for the past 5 years.

Just like @storyteller said, Timmy was trash as a knick, went to Atlanta and actually developed under Mike Budenholzer. We brought him back and he was right back to being trash again. We trade him to Dallas and low and behold he’s playing well again. Knox and Frank aren’t going to be stars like RJ and KP will. But they look significantly worse than they are because of the situation they’re in. There are only 2-3 STARS in most drafts. The job of an organization is create environments where players can grow and meet their potential. Frank and Kevin have more potential than they’ve shown on the Knicks and it’s obvious.

 

[Miles Davis]

I agree. He could play a 2 on some small ball rotations putting RJ at 3 and getting one of them speedy pgs from the draft to run the point.

Hopefully, Thibs can use this lineup based on matchups. That is one thing, I hated about last year's offense. We knew who was starting.

With someone competent, let's say you have a team like Houston. You'll need Frank at point to hold Harden but against the clippers, you'd want him at 2 to hold Paul George and RJ on Kawhi. It varies on matchups, not just forcing talent out there and crossing your fingers that they'll perform.

Although it was luck that we got some wins on Dallas, it was because we outmatched them with the same predictable lineup. Frank on Doncic and Taj on PoorWeakKnees shut them down although they had more talent.

That's why I ignore that bullshyt about Frank/Knox sucking because it really was shytty coaching and office. That poor ass starting lineup had no organization outside of Morris. Stevie Wonder could've done a better job.

PoorWeakKnees

Columbo would be proud