Older thread '20 NYK Off-season Thread

[okgoodnotgreat]

U let the media fool you for the ineptitudes of these scrubs Ntilikina and Knox.

Frank, I get. Knox is a scrub though.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

PoorWeakKnees

Columbo would be proud

Coreweakness Columbo ain’t on this anymore?

 

[Miles Davis]

Coreweakness Columbo ain’t on this anymore?

Ain’t seen dude in awhile. Hope they ok with everything going on.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Coreweakness Columbo ain’t on this anymore?

I gotta nother.

bytchass PoorWeakPuss

 

[ISO]

i admitted that the few transcendent players can overcome bad organizations. But, Jayson Tatum, Donovan Mitchell etc would not look like they do now on the Knicks. They would be budding stars with big flaws like Mitchell Robinson and RJ are right now. That’s just a fact. I guarantee that RJ would be in the convo for Rookie of the Year if he was on the Jazz or something. RJ being sabotaged by poor spacing is poor development and organizational failure. I never said he was a bust. But he looks worse here, like Knox and Frank do because this specific regime that was just replaced was terrible for the past 5 years.

Just like @storyteller said, Timmy was trash as a knick, went to Atlanta and actually developed under Mike Budenholzer. We brought him back and he was right back to being trash again. We trade him to Dallas and low and behold he’s playing well again. Knox and Frank aren’t going to be stars like RJ and KP will. But they look significantly worse than they are because of the situation they’re in. There are only 2-3 STARS in most drafts. The job of an organization is create environments where players can grow and meet their potential. Frank and Kevin have more potential than they’ve shown on the Knicks and it’s obvious.

I disagree. A player like Tatum was poised for stardom he has it. The physical measurements, the work ethic, the skillset, the athleticism, the pedigree (Duke, Kobe disciple, Larry Hughes god son, Ty Lue nephew, Chaminade and Bradley Beal connection, toughness being from St. Louis). R.J. would not be in the conversation for RoY on the Jazz because he has significant flaws as a basketball player, it's obviously a better team so he would look and play better but Ja Morant would still be running away with the award. It's good young players that turn franchises around. After Gordon Hayward left the Jazz were expected to sink. They drafted Donovan Mitchell and he ended up having a lot more of an offensive bag than draft pundits anticipated. Donovan Mitchell himself with his game exceeded expectations and has been carrying the Jazz offense ever since as their sole shot creator. If we landed a Tatum or Mitchell our team would be in a much different state today.
Donovan Mitchell surprised even himself to become the Jazz's unlikely rookie savior

Timmy wasn't trash as a Knick. Timmy simply had too big of a role on the Knicks and continued having injuries. The best basketball Timmy ever played were stretches in the '18 and '19 seasons where he was playing as a first and second option and having big games and leading us to wins he just didn't sustain these flashes due to injuries and he had too large of a role. Timmy's rookie year was also pretty promising and he wasn't that fukking good in Atlanta in fact his first year there was trash.


Timmy is the same chuck he's always been. The difference? He plays on a high octane Mavs offense with a guy named Luka Doncic. The Knicks are at a talent deficit and the guys on the team look worse because of that. It's an ill-fitting roster.

But Ntilikina and Knox are huge parts of that talent deficit. They should be much better than what they are.

 

[RickyGQ]

I disagree. A player like Tatum was poised for stardom he has it. The physical measurements, the work ethic, the skillset, the athleticism, the pedigree (Duke, Kobe disciple, Larry Hughes god son, Ty Lue nephew, Chaminade and Bradley Beal connection, toughness being from St. Louis). R.J. would not be in the conversation for RoY on the Jazz because he has significant flaws as a basketball player, it's obviously a better team so he would look and play better but Ja Morant would still be running away with the award. It's good young players that turn franchises around. After Gordon Hayward left the Jazz were expected to sink. They drafted Donovan Mitchell and he ended up having a lot more of an offensive bag than draft pundits anticipated. Donovan Mitchell himself with his game exceeded expectations and has been carrying the Jazz offense ever since as their sole shot creator. If we landed a Tatum or Mitchell our team would be in a much different state today.
Donovan Mitchell surprised even himself to become the Jazz's unlikely rookie savior

Timmy wasn't trash as a Knick. Timmy simply had too big of a role on the Knicks and continued having injuries. The best basketball Timmy ever played were stretches in the '18 and '19 seasons where he was playing as a first and second option and having big games and leading us to wins he just didn't sustain these flashes due to injuries and he had too large of a role. Timmy's rookie year was also pretty promising and he wasn't that fukking good in Atlanta in fact his first year there was trash.


Timmy is the same chuck he's always been. The difference? He plays on a high octane Mavs offense with a guy named Luka Doncic. The Knicks are at a talent deficit and the guys on the team look worse because of that. It's an ill-fitting roster.

But Ntilikina and Knox are huge parts of that talent deficit. They should be much better than what they are.

Would Tatum or Donovan Mitchell be all stars right now on the Knicks? Look how long it too Booker to finally get recognized for his talents.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

I gotta nother.

bytchass PoorWeakPuss

nothing beats c00nzingis. Fakkit white boi that he is.

 

[ISO]

Would Tatum or Donovan Mitchell be all stars right now on the Knicks? Look how long it too Booker to finally get recognized for his talents.

Yes. If we had Mitchell the Knicks would be in the playoffs today and Porzingis would still be a Knick.

Our roster would look completely different than what it is today.

Tatum is one of the most polished young players I've ever seen. He was dunking on LeBron and shouldering a large share of the Celtics offense as a 19 year old rookie in the playoffs without Kyrie Irving.

It's levels between them and scrubs like Ntilikina and Knox who came into the league raw in skill, mentals, and physically. These boys walked in the league frail with motor concerns and with raw underdeveloped skillsets.

We always knew Booker was nice so that's a bad example he dropped 70 points at 20 years old. He's one of the most polished young scorers the league has seen.

 

[RickyGQ]

Yes. If we had Mitchell the Knicks would be in the playoffs today and Porzingis would still be a Knick.

Our roster would look completely different than what it is today.

Tatum is one of the most polished young players I've ever seen. He was dunking on LeBron and shouldering a large share of the Celtics offense as a 19 year old rookie in the playoffs without Kyrie Irving.

It's levels between them and scrubs like Ntilikina and Knox who came into the league raw in skill, mentals, and physically. These boys walked in the league frail with motor concerns and with raw underdeveloped skillsets.

We always knew Booker was nice so that's a bad example he dropped 70 points at 20 years old. He's one of the most polished young scorers the league has seen.

We’re just going to have to disagree then.... both Tatum and Mitchell earned their reputations by exploding in the playoffs as rookies. Before then they were promising young players. Being in good situations gave them the opportunity to show what they’re truly capable of and for fans to rate them properly.
Booker just started getting credit for being a good player this season when the Suns started to look promising. Before that, it was “can you even win with Booker? All he does is score”.

 

[Peter Popoff]

We’re just going to have to disagree then.... both Tatum and Mitchell earned their reputations by exploding in the playoffs as rookies. Before then they were promising young players. Being in good situations gave them the opportunity to show what they’re truly capable of and for fans to rate them properly.
Booker just started getting credit for being a good player this season when the Suns started to look promising. Before that, it was “can you even win with Booker? All he does is score”.

Exactly.

 

[ISO]

We’re just going to have to disagree then.... both Tatum and Mitchell earned their reputations by exploding in the playoffs as rookies. Before then they were promising young players. Being in good situations gave them the opportunity to show what they’re truly capable of and for fans to rate them properly.
Booker just started getting credit for being a good player this season when the Suns started to look promising. Before that, it was “can you even win with Booker? All he does is score”.

Yeah, I disagree. I don't care bout media narratives and reputations. Mitchell and Tatum are hoopers they would have had a significant impact on any franchise they were drafted to and would be All-Stars today.

Booker has always been nice his issue has always been supporting cast. His individual game has never been a question in my eyes and he has many age related scoring NBA history benchmarks. The guys around the league know how cold he is while the idiots talk about his defense or him not being able to make the playoffs. How did he become so good in a basketball hell like Phoenix?

KP, Mitchell, Barrett have been able to be positive contributors because they can play. Dotson has given us good value out the second round. Hernangomez and Trier had sneaky good rookie seasons with us. Hardaway will be a 10+ year pro and will exceed his value as a late first round pick.

Knox and Frank just ain't it. They should have never been our draft picks. They are your typical lottery busts.

 

[storyteller]

"According to a league source with knowledge of the Knicks thinking, some members of New York's front office are "all in" on VanVleet as a free agent target, feeling that he is the best available player on the market. Despite speculation that the front office is not looking to add any long term money to the books, the source said they are planning on being involved in the sweepstakes for the combo guard this October"

Macri in the KFS newsletter today. He also wrote about Okoro a bit which is worth a read because if the Knicks buy in to the Butler comparisons then the connection with Thibs could give him a bump despite the awkward fit. I know a good number of dudes that are REALLY bullish on him.

 

[Miles Davis]

@S0ur² with the jinx, not even 12 hours later and this happens

 

[DPresidential]

@S0ur² with the jinx, not even 12 hours later and this happens

Wow.

That sucks. So talented but fragile.

 

[Peter Popoff]

@S0ur² with the jinx, not even 12 hours later and this happens