On Immigration, Bernie Sanders Sounds Like Donald Trump

[theworldismine13]

On Immigration, Bernie Sanders Sounds Like Donald Trump
On Immigration, Bernie Sanders Sounds Like Donald Trump

Sen. Bernie Sanders calls himself an internationalist democratic socialist, wants a $15 an hour minimum wage, would make college tuition “free,” likes single-payer healthcare… and utterly opposes relaxing stringent immigration laws because that’s something rightwing corporate billionaires support.

The far-left presidential candidate recently elaborated on these views during a sit-down interview with Vox Editor-in-Chief Ezra Klein. A particularly illuminating moment:

Ezra Klein: You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ...

Bernie Sanders: Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.

Ezra Klein: Really?

Bernie Sanders: Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ...

Ezra Klein: But it would make ...

Bernie Sanders: Excuse me ...

Ezra Klein: It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?

Bernie Sanders: It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs.

To his credit, Klein pushed back by pointing out that the poor people of the United States are actually quite wealthy when compared with the poor people of other countries. But Sanders maintained that his first obligation as a senator from Vermont was to defend American workers from the scourge of foreigners taking their jobs.

Sanders is arguing in bad faith, however, to suggest that his opponents—the Koch brothers, among them—want a completely open border. Very few people involved in immigration policy are actively trying to erode all territorial distinctions between the United States and Mexico. Framing the issues this way, as Sanders does, is demagoguery intended to make supporters of a more welcoming immigration system sound crazy.

Sanders has a long history of fighting efforts to reform immigration laws on the grounds that immigrants hurt the economy and depress American workers’ wages. But as Reason’s Shikha Dalmia has long-argued, this view is at odds with the consensus among economists that more immigration is better for the economy, has a positive effect on wages, and creates jobs.

But for “internationalist” socialist Democrat Sanders, hatred of the rich outweighs concern for the material well-being of the world’s poor.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Good shyt. The way people just brush aside border integrity like it doesn't matter is crazy.

 

[Truth200]

 

[Truth200]

Was there another thread about this?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Good shyt. The way people just brush aside border integrity like it doesn't matter is crazy.

I don't know why i've garnered so much hate over this.

Americans want better lives but want to pretend borders don't matter.

In fact, you could argue corporations are far less patriotic than they appear for not respecting the integrity of this country.

 

[theworldismine13]

I don't know why i've garnered so much hate over this.

Americans want better lives but want to pretend borders don't matter.

In fact, you could argue corporations are far less patriotic than they appear for not respecting the integrity of this country.

liberals want open borders because they believe it will lead to the "browning" of america which will lead to a permanent democratic majority, corporations want a steady supply of cheap labor
so open borders and amnesty is something liberals and corporations agree on

and then black people support it because of the erroneous belief that anti black racism is a unique and percuilar aspect of white americans and they can form a black brown yellow rainbow alliance with immigrants

 

[Truth200]

liberals want open borders becuase they believe it will lead to the "browning" of america which will lead to a permenant democratic majority, corporations want a steady supply of cheap labor
so open borders and amnesty is something liberal and corporations agree on

and then black people support it because of the erroneous belief that anti black racism is a unique and percuilar aspect of white americans and they can form a black brown yellow rainbow alliance with immigrants

You're not allowed to be objective on the Coli....

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

liberals want open borders becuase they believe it will lead to the "browning" of america which will lead to a permenant democratic majority, corporations want a steady supply of cheap labor
so open borders and amnesty is something liberal and corporations agree on

and then black people support it because of the erroneous belief that anti black racism is a unique and percuilar aspect of white americans and they can form a black brown yellow rainbow alliance with immigrants

It pisses me off because when I talk about black economics, while I would not say blacks are only able to compete for low wage jobs...BUT...some wages are better than no wages...and illegals shouldn't even be in a position to compete with citizens for these jobs in the first place.

 

[acri1]

liberals want open borders becuase they believe it will lead to the "browning" of america which will lead to a permenant democratic majority, corporations want a steady supply of cheap labor
so open borders and amnesty is something liberal and corporations agree on

and then black people support it because of the erroneous belief that anti black racism is a unique and percuilar aspect of white americans and they can form a black brown yellow rainbow alliance with immigrants

This is nothing but right-wing rhetoric, nobody actually wants open borders.

If anything black people just side with the left in general because the right (people such as yourself) constantly pander to racists and accuse black people of being stupid/stuck on a plantation/brainwashed/whatever for voting mostly Democrat. If somebody is constantly insulting my intelligence and calling me names, I'd be disinclined to vote for them regardless of what else they said.

 

[theworldismine13]

This is nothing but right-wing rhetoric, nobody actually wants open borders.

If anything black people just side with the left in general because the right (people such as yourself) constantly pander to racists and accuse black people of being stupid/stuck on a plantation/brainwashed/whatever for voting mostly Democrat. If somebody is constantly insulting my intelligence and calling me names, I'd be disinclined to vote for them regardless of what else they said.

open borders, amnesty same difference

i didnt say it in my post but i totally agree that the reason why black people support immigration or open borders or amnesty is that the right is pandering to racists and the right is against immigration, but thats in addition to what im saying

the right is against immigration for blatantly racist reasons, so when black people see the coulters and trumps going off on immigrants, a lot of black people see that as a sign that they can form an alliance with immigrants against racism, not realizing that immigrants are very racist themselves, coulter and trump are saying about immigrants what immigrants say about black people

 

[Mook]

I don't support open borders. What senator Sanders basically said was; America comes first. I'm glad there's an actual patriot in there.