Opinions Versus Facts(Ferguson)

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Sure, but that doesn't automatically invalidate ones argument, does it?

Naw, but writing an opinion piece about "Opininon Versus Facts" and then saying this

Harlem was one of many ghettos across the country that have still not recovered from the riots of the 1960s.

...does.

Harlem is thriving. No sense continuing to read this as dude demonstrated he doesn't know what he's talking about. Not surprised that you posted this up either.
 

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Of course it does he has the reputation of being a right wing zealot. You might as well have Larry Elder write this type of piece and call it objective
That's a dangerous habit to get into. It's the very definition of ad hominem. It doesn't automatically make the person wrong, it does give you insight into how you should approach the piece, but I'd caution against just outright making blanket statements like that. It's almost as intellectually dishonest, IMHO, as writing a "fact" piece spun to all hell.
 
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That's a dangerous habit to get into. It's the very definition of ad hominem. It doesn't automatically make the person wrong, it does give you insight into how you should approach the piece, but I'd caution against just outright making blanket statements like that. It's almost as intellectually dishonest, IMHO, as writing a "fact" piece spun to all hell.

No it is not some people just don't deserve a platform no matter what they write unless they have shown a transformation from their previous extremist patterns from multiculturalism to low IQs among different races. Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder are extremists in terms of race and serve as the blacks that white conservatives try to champion for their racist ideologies. Yes there are some credible black and sensible conservatives such as JC Watts. Those two mentioned are on some shock jock Rush Limbaugh type of status. I have read and watched Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder on numerous Youtube videos they never derail from the script.
 

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Uncle Tom Sowell is a VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY dishonest man. Willfully misleading the reader is feature Ive noticed in almost every one of his pieces that Ive been directed to no matter the topic.

For instance. He says:



While this is true, a handful of witnesses did confirm much of WIlson's story, what he of course leaves out is that these testimonies are DWARFED by the number of witnesses who all agreed that Brown was surrendering when he was fatally shot. I believe those that agreed with Wilson vs. those that agreed Brown was surrendering is about 5-16. An honest man doesnt forget to include this.

And of course his assertion that "people changed their story" is again overblown, and dwarfed by those who stayed consistent with their testimony that Brown was surrendering.

Even "forensic evidence' dont confirm Wilson's story. It may suggest Brown was shot in the hand at a close distance, and it may suggest Brown was shot in the top of the head, but those injuries do not prove Wilson's tales that Brown was "going for the gun" or "charging WIlson like a Bull". Nicca please.

Sowell proves David Hume's theory that reason is a slave to passions. Sowell knows his base is rabidly anti-black, and like a true sell out he plays to those passions when called upon. Hes little more than a dishonest, racist hack...

PBS analyzed the witness statements. Here's what they came up with:


  • More than 50 percent of the witness statements said that Michael Brown held his hands up when Darren Wilson shot him. (16 out of 29 such statements)
  • Only five witness statements said that Brown reached toward his waist during the confrontation leading up to Wilson shooting him to death.
  • More than half of the witness statements said that Brown was running away from Wilson when the police officer opened fire on the 18-year-old, while fewer than one-fifth of such statements indicated that was not the case.
  • There was an even split among witness statements that said whether or not Wilson fired upon Brown when the 18-year-old had already collapsed onto the ground.
  • Only six witness statements said that Brown was kneeling when Wilson opened fire on him. More than half of the witness statements did not mention whether or not Brown was kneeling.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

NBW's making a strong push for poster of the year...what's gotten into this man :mjcry:
 

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No it is not some people just don't deserve a platform no matter what they write unless they have shown a transformation from their previous extremist patterns from multiculturalism to low IQs among different races. Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder are extremists in terms of race and serve as the blacks that white conservatives try to champion for their racist ideologies. Yes there are some credible black and sensible conservatives such as JC Watts. Those two mentioned are on some shock jock Rush Limbaugh type of status. I have read and watched Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder on numerous Youtube videos they never derail from the script.
fair enough. I've always said there should be no tolerance for the intolerant.
 

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Other brehs did a good job addressing the blind acceptance of Wilson's Duck Tales story :duck: and the narrative the "prosecutor" presented regarding the witnesses, so I'll address some of the more structural and social issues Sowell mentioned...

The riots were partly in response to the decision to not indict Wilson. They are also in response to the entire injustice system and people's (largely unorganized) frustration with it. In Ferguson, specifically, residents are endlessly harassed and extorted by the legal system. In 2013, the Ferguson municipal court issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses... in a city of 21,135 people (source). :duck: Has Sowell written about that? :beli:

"orgy of anarchy" :rudy: oh please.


The only legitimate point Sowell half-raised was the destruction of the area. Riots like this are the cry of the most marginalized segments of the population. In an age of historic demobilization of militant, progressive working-class organizations on the heels of repression and defeats in the last 50 years, the masses of people largely lack institutions through which they can advance their interests and struggle in a forward direction. But their energy hasn't disappeared and occasionally bubbles over into things such as these riots. Riots aren't the most productive or effective outlet at all, and certainly, they can have negative repercussions for the community as infrastructure is destroyed and capital flees. That's why working-class organization is of the utmost importance. It's more useful for workers and communities for workers to take over the workplaces than burn them down... the ruling class needs the working-class to maintain their position, but when capital flees elsewhere, the working-class of a community becomes superfluous... then it becomes even more neglected. Profit over people :mjpls:

And more of blaming the state for everything :mjlol: "The biggest beneficiaries are politicians and racial demagogues." So politicians can form a socioeconomic class of their own, pursuing their own interests which are separate and apart from others... but there's no such thing as a bourgeoisie (which Sowell refers to euphemistically as "people who provide jobs and taxes") which controls the means of production? No such thing as the working-class? The central contradiction in society is politicians vs. everyone else?
On a side note... Does Sowell write pieces about "rampaging mobs" when :skip:'s riot over hockey games or pumpkin festivals? :beli:
 

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Everyone seems to have an opinion about the tragic events in Ferguson, Missouri. But, as Daniel Patrick Moynihan used to say, "You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts."

Soon after the shooting death of Michael Brown, this 285-pound young man was depicted as a "gentle giant." But, after a video was leaked, showing him bullying the owner of a store from which he had stolen some merchandise, Attorney General Eric Holder expressed displeasure that the video was leaked. In other words, to Holder the truth was offensive, but the lie it exposed was not.

Many people who claimed to have been eyewitnesses to the fatal shooting gave opposite accounts of what happened. Some even gave accounts that contradicted what they themselves had said earlier.

Fortunately, the grand jury did not have to rely on such statements, though some in the media seemed to. What the grand jury had, that the rest of us did not have until the grand jury's decision was announced, was a set of physical facts that told a story that was independent of what anybody said.

Three different medical forensic experts — one representing Michael Brown's parents — examined the physical facts. These facts included the autopsy results, Michael Brown's DNA on the door of the police car and on the policeman's gun, photographs of the bruised and swollen face of policeman Darren Wilson and the pattern of blood stains on the street where Brown was shot.

This physical evidence was hard to square with the loudly proclaimed assertions that Brown was shot in the back, or was shot with his hands up, while trying to surrender. But it was consistent with the policeman's testimony.

Moreover, the physical facts were consistent with what a number of black witnesses said under oath, despite expressing fears for their own safety for contradicting what those in the rampaging mobs were saying.

The riots, looting and setting things on fire that some in the media are treating as reactions to the grand jury's decision not to indict the policeman, actually began long before the grand jury had begun its investigation, much less announced any decision.


Why some people insist on believing whatever they want to believe is a question that is hard to answer. But a more important question is: What are the consequences to be expected from an orgy of anarchy that started in Ferguson, Missouri and has spread around the country?


The first victims of the mob rampages in Ferguson have been people who had nothing to do with Michael Brown or the police. These include people — many of them black or members of other minorities — who have seen the businesses they worked to build destroyed, perhaps never to be revived.

But these are only the first victims. If the history of other communities ravaged by riots in years past is any indication, there are blacks yet unborn who will be paying the price of these riots for years to come.
Sometimes it is a particular neighborhood that never recovers, and sometimes it is a whole city. Detroit is a classic example. It had the worst riot of the 1960s, with 43 deaths — 33 of them black people. Businesses left Detroit, taking with them jobs and taxes that were very much needed to keep the city viable. Middle class people — both black and white — also fled.

Harlem was one of many ghettos across the country that have still not recovered from the riots of the 1960s. In later years, a niece of mine, who had grown up in the same Harlem tenement where I grew up years earlier, bitterly complained about how few stores and other businesses there were in the neighborhood.
There were plenty of stores in that same neighborhood when I was growing up, as well as a dentist, a pharmacist and an optician, all less than a block away. But that was before the neighborhood was swept by riots.

Who benefits from the Ferguson riots? The biggest beneficiaries are politicians and racial demagogues. In Detroit, Mayor Coleman Young was one of many political demagogues who were able to ensure their own reelection, using rhetoric and policies that drove away people who provided jobs and taxes, but who were likely to vote against him if they stayed. Such demagogues thrived as Detroit became a wasteland.


-Thomas Sowell
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Thomas Sewell is a hack, whose only interests is becoming a buffer for conservative blacks and pleasing whites as one of the good ones. Was Mike Brown an angel, no. But fact of the matter is, he did not deserve to be shot.
 
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