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Oprah On Recent Protests: 'I'm Looking For Leadership'
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And on top of that if one of these dudes were to put their neck out there and lose all his endorsements, how many of us will come out our own pocket to make sure he's taken care of now that cac society has made it impossible for them to make a living?
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I trained Sheng Long and Shonuff
The sad part is most of our leaders died broke and penniless, and we didn't even try to raise no money to make sure their family is taken care of. I can't remember who said it but looking out for black people in America is the quickest way to die poor and with nothing.
loyola llothta
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like i said.....we have leader"s" just like in the 60's. we had black celebrities in the 60's(and before that) who wasn't leaders or try to be but they play they part to help
to you that's a leader? right (i wouldn't call her a Latino leader but whatever) helping to process some way or some how with they means on the forefront
we have the same ppl/protesters doing things beyond that (protest). they don't have money like Eva Longoria or Oprah but they still doing work with government officials, meeting up with president etc.. they don't have media/fame status soo it wont be broadcast to the mainstream media to follow(that's why i post the information/updates in the Mike Brown/ Ferguson thread) behind the scene work. wouldn't you call that leaders? we dont have MLK. We don't have Malcolm or Huey. strong leaders/ black Messiah(to me) but they got killed or died. We only got this left right now. we only got us, lets work with that
the point im trying to make Oprah is full of shyt . those ppl aren't leaders because they don't follow her guild-lines(her fantasize of CRM or Butler script ). once again she doesn't know wtf(or she stir some shyt up) she talking about, she didn't do her research, just a delusional rich black mammy talking from a script they told her to read us
instead of "What can I do to help?"............ she say "Where are the leaders?(in a conniption matter )"
You dudes really gotta stop defending and taking the words of black rich"black excellence" celebrities as gold scriptures oversaw by YHWH when they shyt on black movements purposely (that can stir us in the right way to progress/or wake a few ppl up). Oprah just took big shyt on the movements as "nicely" as she could. Oprah is playing the game, and she just show us that
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How is Eva not a leader? She started an organization to fight for Latino rights, raised 30 million dollars for Obamas reelection campaign, was instrumental in getting the dream act passed, and is currently working in DC trying to get even more political support for Latinos in this country. If that's not the definition of a leader, then what is?
But regardless of whether there are Hispanic or gay leaders, I believe black people definitely need leaders to push our agenda and cause forward, mainly because so many of our people are completely divided and don't know what to do or what direction to go.
I don't take issue with what Oprah said because I agree with her. But unlike most dudes in this thread, I'm not gonna point the finger back at her and say "Why aren't you a leader Oprah?" I'm going to ask myself what can I do to help lead my community? On this site we constantly hear the rhetoric that the reason the black community is in the condition it's in is because it's a matriarchy and women can't lead, then these same men turn around and want Oprah, a black woman, to take on a leadership position.
Black men need to take on that role. Black men need to be the one fighting and putting in work. Black men need to be the ones coming up with strategies on what we can do to solve the problems we face (whether it's white supremacy, violence in our communities, joblessness, over incarceration, etc). We have no business asking Oprah, any black woman, or any non black man to fix this problem for us.
For me I believe economic independence is what our community desperately needs. So my goal is to start mentoring other young black men and motivate them to become entrepreneurs. To take part of the profits from the businesses I open and start programs for black people to push entrepreneurship. To eventually build relationships with other business owners in Atlanta and convince them to pool our money together, buy a politician, and get shyt set aside exclusively for black people in Atlanta.
We all can look at the black community and see shyt that needs to be fixed, but instead of us stepping up to the plate and trying to fix it ourselves, we'd rather wait for someone else to do the job.
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Please tell me black folks in ATL are taking the bolded seriously
Cause from what I've seen and heard the ch!nk$ have been setting up shop in ATL.
loyola llothta
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On Eva being the Latina leader, im going to answer that later my respond is too long. however we cant compare they plights to ours in that level. They have anti-blackness in they own home country(Latina america, south america), island, and house hold. if you watch they broadcasting you wouldn't know if black/mulatto leave there. if we compare the similarities or observe the struggle that plague us, the plight we should look at is the afro-Latinos when it comes to how government respond to them
we have black leaders pioneers who put in work effort, create organization, political, and money into politicians. all those things "we" do never satisfy the dominant group. overtime they will find a way to do more fukkery (i'm just going use that word) just look at 010-014' period killing all these unarmed black kids by a cop, security officer, and regular white person(when black on' black crime is down) . i think we have to do all those things constantly(as a group), we cant relax(feet have to stay on gas ) even if they put us in a "better" situation than before or give us a figurehead. that's one of the important thing we learn after the CRM, we cant get comfort they despise us. Group economics or creating a economics base, we have to fight constantly even after we accomplish those goals. they get us when we start not caring anymore and get comfortable in the they system. when we start believing they change they ways based-off morals .....we have a problem
now once Oprah went ahead say those comments she desire criticism. to me she's looking for a figurehead, shes looking for rose park ."We all can look at the black community and see shyt that needs to be fixed, but instead of us stepping up to the plate and trying to fix it ourselves, we'd rather wait for someone else to do the job"----- but that's what Oprah is doing.
its dudes that putting work too, young,old dudes, black Americans, west indie, and African men. they just don't put it out there like Oprah. we have black men who create organization and schools/& school programs in the recent years but those aren't meant to be broadcast by the dominant culture(dominant ) mainstream repeatedly over and over, its not in the script . so we don't see that unless we go out and do our own research. i believe in general the dominant culture put black women out there in the forefront to put more emphasis on them. In a sense pushing agenda to change/break the structure or dynamic of a black family(and other things). now we have movements with black women "have to be" in the forefront because they put themselves out there to prove a point. more dudes need to be out there in the forefront tho
don't forget what black "feminist"(agents) was saying right after mike brown was executed
why defend celebrities but not the ppl who not as rich(monetary value) and famous but that's out there everyday to put work in the community, programs, organization, protesters with no cameras . Oprah said some dumb shyt that create separation and confusion within us.
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This nikka said Tupac Shakur
are you a cac?
Tupac's music/message reaches as high as the Pope and as low as slums in 3rd world countries.
What are you really saying right now?
If you understand then something needs to be done cause these tensions are dragging the community down. It is beyond just being unappreciated!
havoc
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I'm a cac, LoL. I made clear to everyone in here that I'm black.. Don't place Tupac in the same sentence with MLK, Malcolm X, and the Black Panther whom had taken risk to advance their people. Those leaders had an agenda for black people, they organized, and set their agenda in motion to make a difference. Tupac wasn't on that level. Please don't try to make an argument on his potential, because we don't know how his future will turn out if he didn't get killed.
2Pac came from a different era, the era of Hip Hop.
MLK and Malcolm came from an era nobody in this thread can directly relate to, nor did hip-hop even exist, therefore they can never be directly compared to.
But what he did in the culture, a message that the world at large holds in high regard, you cannot just cast him off as a rapper. He meant much more.
If Tupac was just a rapper to you breh, thats your opinion and I respect it.
But ive been to the slums of Haiti, where (at the time) brehs were fighting the remnants of an actual private militia (Tonton Macoute), a brutal police force. nikkas barely had food to eat coupled with rolling blackouts, yet could get their hand on a brand new 9MM to kill another man as easy as water. Underneath the coup d'etat of 2004, the music and message of Tupac Shakur was damn near their religion.
Of our generation there is barely any men who can connect to the youth gonig through the problems of government oppression and hard times like 2Pac, much less a young breh going through shyt much harder than you could catch in the darkest corners of Chiraq.
Yes he was flawed and yes he died young. Yes his agenda didnt get actually going. However, a mans VISION and perceived PURPOSE is important too, especially if 19 years after his death, there still hasnt risen anybody in hiphop that has the impact he did.
Relative to the generations, Tupac deserves to be named among them.
But to each his own:niro:
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