"Our economy is built on creating asocial, asexual males" Scott Galloway--Anderson Cooper show

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No America’s failing economy created situations where men and women couldn't afford to date and get married and have children. We seen in other countries that had similar situation lor Japan in the 90’s in turn leads to the next generation of men being antisocial and asexual.

Japan’s lost decade led to their NEET
America’s great recession created our incels

Tech companies are filling in the gap like Anime did for the Japanese men. Cheap hobbies that become substitutes for having social lives.
 
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I agree. His last two sentences were correct. Extinction is highly likely.


But it's really a global phenomenon I can't really blame it on our country or even the tech industry the way he's trying to pin it on them. All AI did was accelerate a global process. Blaming it on tech is a deflection. This trend was present long before chat gpt.


I think the first country to get an edge against the population cliff , will be a country brave enough to give both childbirth and child rearing to the government as Central responsibilities . No different than how the government is centrally responsible for the currency or going to war.


As it stands there are very few incentives to procreate other than tradition. And even countries like the Nordic countries or South Korea which have actually tried to bribe their population into having kids have failed despite creating direct incentives.
 
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No America’s failing economy created situations where men and women couldn't afford to date and get married and have children. We seen in other countries that had similar situation lor Japan in the 90’s in turn leads to the next generation of men being antisocial and asexual.

Japan’s lost decade led to their NEET
America’s great recession created our incels

Tech companies are filling in the gap like Anime did for the Japanese men. Cheap hobbies that because substitutes for having lives.
That would be true if Japan was the only country experiencing this at this moment in time but it's a global phenomenon affecting both good economies and bad ones . Focusing in on the Lost decade of a single country prevents you from seeing that the country right next door was having the best economy in their entire civilization in South Korea and experiencing an even worse birth rate than Japan. same story with Taiwan where the conditions were magnificent



Birth rates in all of Eastern Europe, northern Europe , South Asia, Latin America, etc all fell off the cliff despite their country's experiencing varying levels of economic conditions. for example look at the Singapore economy which is doing fantastically, is doing so well that the government can afford to subsidize everything from housing to food. But look at their birth rate.

It's a bigger than economics. It's a global social phenomenon. You have to see the big picture. It's not the fault of any one corporation or any one country's economic conditions. Countries with horrible conditions like India or brazil are in the exact same position as countries like Singapore or Norway which actively coddle their population with subsidies and wealth.
 

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That would be true if Japan was the only country experience in this at this moment in time but it's a global phenomenon affecting both good economies and bad ones . Focusing in on the Lost decade single country prevents you from seeing that the country right next door was having the best economy and their entire human civilization in South Korea and experiencing an even worse birth rate.


Birth rates in all of Eastern Europe, northern Europe , South Asia, Latin America, etc all fell off the cliff despite their country's experiencing varying levels of economic conditions. for example look at the Singapore economy which is doing fantastically, is doing so well that the government can afford to subsidize everything from housing to food. But look at their birth rate.

It's a bigger than economics. It's a global social phenomenon. Countries with horrible conditions like India or brazil or in the exact same position as countries like Singapore or Norway which actively coddle their population with subsidies
No what I am saying is Japan experienced this already and while you’re right, the global economy is down. So it being widespread makes sense. I would argue China’s population would still be growing with its economy if it wasn't for their 1 child policy.

Also I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there isn't a “fix”. These guys are going to struggle because they were born during struggle times and picked up struggle coping behavior.

Don't get me started on how right ring propaganda confused them even more, but that happened in Japan too.

Basically there is nothing new under the sun and like most things “its the economy” is the answer. Though also right wing propaganda and the accumulation of wealth at the top 1% - .01% sure as heck didn't help.
 

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I think the first country to get an edge against the population cliff , will be a country brave enough to give both childbirth and child rearing to the government as Central responsibilities .

Governments have already tried to manipulate this and its at best ineffective and at worst has the opposite effect.

The best solution against population decline is what the USA perfected with migration. I call that the Egypt-Rome-USA system and its the thing that has been that gave us the edge over any and everything in the near and long term.

The US's social issue is rooted in 60 years (since LBJ) without any real redistribution of wealth to working class people making it harder to socialize in any already individualistic society with technology meant to take up all your attention. Throw in regressive ideologies meant to put men vs women by said technology spreading it like wildfire and its the perfect storm.
 
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Maybe if western women stopped acting like entitled, masculine brats that take everything and give nothing back and grew up, and acted like responsible adults who take accountability, then maybe Western men might make an effort to court them.

Until that time, women and simps need to learn to shut up.
 

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Governments have already tried to manipulate this and its at best ineffective and at worst has the opposite effect.

The best solution against population decline is what the USA perfected with migration. I call that the Egypt-Rome-USA system and its the thing that has been that gave us the edge over any and everything in the near and long term.

The US's social issue is rooted in 60 years (since LBJ) without any real redistribution of wealth to working class people making it harder to socialize in any already individualistic society with technology meant to take up all your attention. Throw in regressive ideologies meant to put men vs women by said technology spreading it like wildfire and its the perfect storm.

I disagree with your last paragraph because egalitarian countries which wholly believe in redistribution of wealth like norway , singapore, and Denmark are fairing just as bad as high gini coefficient countries that tell their poor to eat cake. Progressive ideologies aren't enough to stop the demographic cliff. This isn't an economic issue. As we speak Sweden and Norway are subsidizing childcare, healthcare, transport, housing, mandating vacation time, reducing working hours, mandating paternity/maternity leave, and paying the entire bill for birthing a child. But it hasn't helped at all



I do agree with your first paragraphs, but you have to admit that immigration is kind of running away from the problem instead of solving it. The planet Earth is a closed system so you can't just keep siphoning people from other places to solve your own demographic issues. It's the geopolitical equivalent of using using a bucket to bail water out of your ship instead of fixing the big hole in the side . It's unsustainable.


I would actually counter your point about the failure of past policies. I would propose that the issue wasn't the control by the government, it was their inability to fine-tune the population .

There's nothing wrong with
there being ebbs and flows in a population. the strategy failed because china/india had to get the acquiescence of the general population to fix it and make adjustments. I'm picturing a revolutionary new mindset were the birth rate is fluctuated the exact same way interest rates are fluctuated by the Fed. China's attempt was unsophisticated.



As an analogy ,it would be like if every time the Federal reserve wanted to lower or raise interest rates, they would have to beg the population to allow it to happen. Obviously this wouldn't work with the FED example because individual citizens will prioritize their individual fortunes instead of the nation's fortunes meaning nobody would ever agree to raise interest rates.



What I'm proposing is the entire practice of child rearing and childbirthing being delegated to the government. Meaning that if the figures are wonky , then the birth rate can immediately be adjusted upwards or downwards with only a one-year delay. This allows fine-tuning to prevent the demographic collapse that you saw in china or India.


Thus if the population does not want to have children they are free not to do so. But the overall fortunes of the country are unaffected by their personal decisions.
 
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I disagree with your last paragraph because egalitarian countries which wholly believe in redistribution of wealth like norway , singapore, and Denmark are fairing just as bad as high gini coefficient countries that tell their poor to eat cake.

You misinterpreted why I brought up wealth distribution which was addressing the "social isolation" Galloway is speaking about in the video.

Those countries do not report high rates of social isolation. I do agree that less inequality does not equal higher birth rates.

I do agree with your first paragraphs, but you have to admit that immigration is kind of running away from the problem instead of solving it. The planet Earth is a closed system so you can't just keep siphoning people from other places to solve your own demographic issues. It's the geopolitical equivalent of using using a bucket to bail water out of your ship instead of fixing the big hole in the side . It's unsustainable.

Why? Its a system as old as the first civilizations where people from far and wide would go to the big water source or w/e and build with the local population.


here being ebbs and flows in a population. the strategy failed because china/india had to get the acquiescence of the general population to fix it and make adjustments. I'm picturing a revolutionary new mindset were the birth rate is fluctuated the exact same way interest rates are fluctuated by the Fed. China's attempt was unsophisticated.



As an analogy ,it would be like if every time the Federal reserve wanted to lower or raise interest rates, they would have to beg the population to allow it to happen. Obviously this wouldn't work with the FED example because individual citizens will prioritize their individual fortunes instead of the nation's fortunes meaning nobody would ever agree to raise interest rates.



What I'm proposing is the entire practice of child rearing and childbirthing being delegated to the government. Meaning that if the figures are wonky , then the birth rate can immediately be adjusted upwards or downwards with only a one-year delay. This allows fine-tuning to prevent the demographic collapse that you saw in china or India.

Treating people like micromanaged cattle would work but people are not going for that.
 

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No America’s failing economy created situations where men and women couldn't afford to date and get married and have children. We seen in other countries that had similar situation lor Japan in the 90’s in turn leads to the next generation of men being antisocial and asexual.

Japan’s lost decade led to their NEET
America’s great recession created our incels

Tech companies are filling in the gap like Anime did for the Japanese men. Cheap hobbies that because substitutes for having lives.

Low income people are having the most kids. Upperclass people are having the least kids.



Think the 'economy' is gone stop people from fuking brehs. :mjlol:
 

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Low income people are having the most kids. Upperclass people are having the least kids.



Think the 'economy' is gone stop people from fuking brehs. :mjlol:
Yes, yes I do. Because it makes dating more expensive, requires men to work harder to make money cause an opportunity cost of time spent dating, and then you apply those same circumstances to women. The main difference is I think women by their nature are better able to compensate so they aren't “lonely”. Like women can have kids independently of a long term dating. They can even be inseminated.

Also your promoting a logical fallacy. If one lower class man has 3 kids with 3 women it means 2 other adult men are out there not getting buns. Its a idiocracy situation.

 
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