OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

RIGHT ON TIME. I caught some of the trumpet awards last night, and arrested development performed.

I know most of yall don't watch shows like this, which is why its like I'm speaking a foreign language.

simply put - most of the people who were shaking their ass to arrested development last night, are the same types that get up for outkast.

CASE CLOSED.

Low key, that's exactly what it is. I think, subconsciously, that's why I always liked the first album the most. There isn't a single soft song on that album.
On Atliens, you had Jazzy Belle, Babylon and Growing Old. I love all three of those songs, don't get it twisted, but they are softer than anything on SPCM.

in the grand scheme of things, SPCM is soft too. but that's besides the point.

its more about the stylings/sound/mood/presentation. and the proof is in the pudding if you take notice of their followings - most importantly.

I'm not saying that outkast is cut from the same cloth as those groups. I'm just saying they inherited that audience. that's really all I was saying.​

 

[JustCKing]

RIGHT ON TIME. I caught some of the trumpet awards last night, and arrested development performed.

I know most of yall don't watch shows like this, which is why its like I'm speaking a foreign language.

simply put - most of the people who were shaking their ass to arrested development last night, are the same types that get up for outkast.

CASE CLOSED.





in the grand scheme of things, SPCM is soft too. but that's besides the point.

its more about the stylings/sound/mood/presentation. and the proof is in the pudding if you take notice of their followings - most importantly.

I'm not saying that outkast is cut from the same cloth as those groups. I'm just saying they inherited that audience. that's really all I was saying.​

You erroneously try to diagnose someone with mental illness, yet you're in here trying to make a correlation between people dancing at the Trumpet Awards to Arrested Development and Outkast (who wasn't even there or scheduled to be there). Then you end the post with case closed as if you proved anything. The only thing you proved is that you put way too much thought into Kast and the Internet.

The stupid part of your whole presentation is that you're out here reaching to draw comparisons between Arrested Development's former fan base and Kast's. What you're trying to do is discredit Kast on a slick by making the comparison. You would've been far better off saying that Kast has amassed a section of the Urban audience that are more so Neo-Soul/R&B/Jazz fans than they are Hip Hop fans. These are the types of fans that Alternative groups which would include well respected Hip Hop groups that constantly are viewed as GOAT Hip Hop groups and groups that don't get the "Alternative" label attached to them from ATCQ to Gangstarr to Public Enemy to De La Soul to even lesser celebrated duos/groups like Blackstar.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

People acting like kast wasnt a rnb esque group on a rnb label LAFACE records? Their shyt was always in that lane it just became more and more apparent as time went on. ATLiens one of my fav albums so im not even hating this is fact.

Mobb deep is the literal personifcation of raw nyc hip hop

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You erroneously try to diagnose someone with mental illness, yet you're in here trying to make a correlation between people dancing at the Trumpet Awards to Arrested Development and Outkast (who wasn't even there or scheduled to be there). Then you end the post with case closed as if you proved anything. The only thing you proved is that you put way too much thought into Kast and the Internet.

The stupid part of your whole presentation is that you're out here reaching to draw comparisons between Arrested Development's former fan base and Kast's. What you're trying to do is discredit Kast on a slick by making the comparison. You would've been far better off saying that Kast has amassed a section of the Urban audience that are more so Neo-Soul/R&B/Jazz fans than they are Hip Hop fans. These are the types of fans that Alternative groups which would include well respected Hip Hop groups that constantly are viewed as GOAT Hip Hop groups and groups that don't get the "Alternative" label attached to them from ATCQ to Gangstarr to Public Enemy to De La Soul to even lesser celebrated duos/groups like Blackstar.

its like I'm talking to a wall....a padded wall.
this exchange with you is incoherent as f*ck, and I feel bad brushing you off because you keep putting your heart into these little essays.

youre clearly not comprehending anything that I'm saying.
youre either missing the point by miles or driving way off the road with your responses. or both.

at certain points, I think even you don't know what youre arguing about.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

People acting like kast wasnt a rnb esque group on a rnb label LAFACE records? Their shyt was always in that lane it just became more and more apparent as time went on. ATLiens one of my fav albums so im not even hating this is fact.

Mobb deep is the literal personifcation of raw nyc hip hop

THANK YOU.

finally someone who gets IT.

 

[JustCKing]

People acting like kast wasnt a rnb esque group on a rnb label LAFACE records? Their shyt was always in that lane it just became more and more apparent as time went on. ATLiens one of my fav albums so im not even hating this is fact.

Mobb deep is the literal personifcation of raw nyc hip hop

Outkast is about as R&B-esque a group as Whodini. It would be like referring to Run DMC as a Rock-esque group.

Despite being on LaFace, Outkast isn't an R&B-esque group. They had songs with Sleepy Brown and Cee Lo Green singing or they had background vocals from Debra Killings or Whild Peach. That's no different from all the mid-90's albums that were literally littered with R&B singers. During the era that Kast debuted in, nearly every act that was huge blew off of songs that were R&B heavy:

Biggie- Juicy (samples Mtume's "Juicy Fruit" and features Total on the hook/chorus)

Method Man- All I Need (samples Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell song of the same name and features Mary J. Blige)

Bone Thugs N Harmony- Thuggish Ruggish Bone features Tasha singing

Warren G- Regulators (samples Michael McDonald and features Nate Dogg on the hook/chorus)

^^^ That's four of the biggest artists who debuted in '94.

 

[JustCKing]

its like I'm talking to a wall....a padded wall.
this exchange with you is incoherent as f*ck, and I feel bad brushing you off because you keep putting your heart into these little essays.

youre clearly not comprehending anything that I'm saying.
youre either missing the point by miles or driving way off the road with your responses. or both.

at certain points, I think even you don't know what youre arguing about.

Breh, there's nothing to comprehend because you pull nonsense out of thin air. No reason or logic behind your posts. If anyone should have pity, it's the posters who respond to your posts having pity on you for coming up with garbage and trying to spray cologne on it hoping no one will notice.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Outkast is about as R&B-esque a group as Whodini. It would be like referring to Run DMC as a Rock-esque group.

Despite being on LaFace, Outkast isn't an R&B-esque group. They had songs with Sleepy Brown and Cee Lo Green singing or they had background vocals from Debra Killings or Whild Peach. That's no different from all the mid-90's albums that were literally littered with R&B singers. During the era that Kast debuted in, nearly every act that was huge blew off of songs that were R&B heavy:

Biggie- Juicy (samples Mtume's "Juicy Fruit" and features Total on the hook/chorus)

Method Man- All I Need (samples Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell song of the same name and features Mary J. Blige)

Bone Thugs N Harmony- Thuggish Ruggish Bone features Tasha singing

Warren G- Regulators (samples Michael McDonald and features Nate Dogg on the hook/chorus)

^^^ That's four of the biggest artists who debuted in '94.

Listen bro im not even gon respond to this.

Yur the dude who told me kast dbl album wasnt 10 bucks when it dropped in all the stores and YOU proceeded to post a ad showing it was and you still somehow were denying it.

Its safe to say yur too much of a stan to have any discussion on this subject be worthwhile and informative

 

[JustCKing]

Listen bro im not even gon respond to this.

Yur the dude who told me kast dbl album wasnt 10 bucks when it dropped in all the stores and YOU proceeded to post a ad showing it was and you still somehow were denying it.

Its safe to say yur too much of a stan to have any discussion on this subject be worthwhile and informative

Yet you still responded. Have a good day.

And you're still harping on an ad that showed that four retailers carried the album for $10.99 vs. ALL stores (like you were claiming). And the kicker was it wasn't JUST Outkast albums, it was multiple albums that had that same sales promotion in those four stores. The promo came as a result of this:

Universal Slashes All CD Prices in Attempt to Lure Music Buyers

I'm not as much as a stan as you and ol' boy are haters and I've probably provided more information based on FACTS than a lot of posters in this thread have.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Outkast has way better and more consistent albums OVERALL, but none of their albums are better than The Infamous.

 

[JustCKing]

The crazy part about this whole exchange is that you have posters in this thread who rinse, wash, and recycle the same tired posts about Kast. They don't matter, yet the same ones always rushing into the threads to spew the same garbage they been spewing for years even on the old site.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

1. Nah, bruh, you don't make a claim and skate by talking about "you had to be cognizant". Prove it. Plain and simple.

2. It's not beside the point. If you had one album that was huge and made other albums that were flops, and you're not even acknowledged after the fact (considering how huge the debut was), they are pretty much culturally irrelevant. 3 big hits is not a huge feat. There's a lot of groups/artists who had three hits and then nothing. When PM Dawn is brought up it is in relation to them not really being Hip Hop or in relation to what KRS did to one of the members.

3. Kast was not ALWAYS safe music, which goes back to the content they had in their music from day one. They have multiple songs on every album that are first person narratives of violence, misogyny, drug dealing, smoking weed, etc. Not to mention, it was profanity laced. It wasn't safe. I don't think Arrested Development had profanity in their music. Same goes for PM Dawn.

What point are you trying to make in stating they drew from their consumer base?

I cant believe he's still in here trying to prove his point. There was nothing safe about Outkast out the gate AT ALL. 3stacks of all people was packing a gat at the beginning of Aint No Thang

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You erroneously try to diagnose someone with mental illness, yet you're in here trying to make a correlation between people dancing at the Trumpet Awards to Arrested Development and Outkast (who wasn't even there or scheduled to be there).

I diagnosed you with a mental illness because you always say dumb chit, like the bolded.

 

[JustCKing]

I diagnosed you with a mental illness because you always say dumb chit, like the bolded.

Then why aren't you in a padded cell yet hugging yourself yet?

 

[ZEB WALTON]

THANK YOU.

finally someone who gets IT.

Word. Dudes are buggin.

Playas ball was introduced on the LAFACE RNB CHRISTMAS ALBUM. An album filled with rnb songs and one rnb inspired rap song.

Dudes are buggin