OutKast vs. Mobb Deep | By The Numbers

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Not following your logic here.

Saying "Outkast needed Dungeon Family, Hav and P did all the work" is over looking the fact that Mobb Deep was from NY and Outkast is from ATL, which wasn't really on anyone's radar back then, rap-wise. Being from NY was a hell of a lot bigger advantage than having the Dungeon Family in the 90's.

Fred.

Not to mention from Aquemini onwards, Kast we’re doing most of not all of the production as well
 

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Breh by your own admission you were in middle school/a tween for the bulk of Outkast's initial run. So I'm not sure how you'd have a firm grasp on their legacy in real-time to say whether or not it's faux.

You know I fukk with you as a poster but age-wise you aren't really in a position to determine these sorts of things about a group that debuted in 1994.

Fred.


and how many black women did you know back then???? how many black women do you even know now? youre simply not exposed to the outside fanbases that I'm referring to, so why are you even trying to argue about this?

I could've been in kindergarten and i'd still be more than qualified to say what I said, just off of simple observation. they were always a group that stat-padded outside of the hip-hop realm.
also, keep in mind that whatever your lifestyle was in middle school or whatever, is not the same as mine. and that's for future reference, because this argument isn't even on some hip-hop chit.
youre alright and all, but you step out of your lane too much, and get lost. youre the same person that we had to explain bad boy's appeal to, just a month or so ago.
youre a hippity-hop guy and outkast is like your 2nd favorite group or something. I get it, but you represent a small fragment. you cant apply that small perspective to the big picture. it fails everytime like clockwork.
 
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:comeon: nikkas just making up shyt now? Every outkast single got play on rap radio. nikkas had gold, singles platinum albums, nikkas on hella soundtracks, nikkas on Martin, on mtv and shyt, but somehow they were some obscure group that nobody knew about. I'm from LA, outkast got play regularly, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy fukking more than mobb deep, the shyt is not even close. Yaw can say yaw like mobb better, but the bullshyt needs to stop.
 

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:comeon: nikkas just making up shyt now? Every outkast single got play on rap radio. nikkas had gold, singles platinum albums, nikkas on hella soundtracks, nikkas on Martin, on mtv and shyt, but somehow they were some obscure group that nobody knew about. I'm from LA, outkast got play regularly, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy fukking more than mobb deep, the shyt is not even close. Yaw can say yaw like mobb better, but the bullshyt needs to stop.


youre too caught up in industry placements.

and I don't see anyone claiming that they were obscure. they had the dam laface/arista machine force-feeding their chit.
 

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SPCM is their best album by far - largely thanks to the wave-hopping they were doing, along with organized noise lacing them up.

they were always good for a couple hits per album, and guaranteed to snap on a handful of tracks, but SPCM is their only real legit classic.
after that, they were just aiird. their beats generally weren't as good, their mic presence was weaker, flows & hooks were usually corny, voices got annoying, etc etc

people usually don't break these things down critically when it comes to backpack/alternative groups. that's why so many of them get passes despite their sub-genre's steep decrease in popularity after the early '90s.
 
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youre too caught up in industry placements.

and I don't see anyone claiming that they were obscure. they had the dam laface/arista machine force-feeding their chit.
I'm not caught up in shyt. You bizzaro world coli nikkas try too hard. I grew up hearing these nikkas regularly, kids singing the shyt at school. knew several people with their albums, did Arista force feed the cd into their hands? You juelzing, outkast wasn't big enough to go gold and platinum, but all their singles charted. Players ball went number 1. Now they're industry placements. :camby:
 

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I'm not caught up in shyt. You bizzaro world coli nikkas try too hard. I grew up hearing these nikkas regularly, kids singing the shyt at school. knew several people with their albums, did Arista force feed the cd into their hands? You juelzing, outkast wasn't big enough to go gold and platinum, but all their singles charted. Players ball went number 1. Now they're industry placements.


another person I gotta bring back down to earth real quick since you want to start cursing & putting ridiculous labels on people.

the only person in bizzarro world is you. the same dude that admittedly couldn't even hang out until you were like 18.
and you look like the michellin man, so chill with all the "nikkas" talk.

kids sing everything that's on the radio.
u clearly don't know what force-feeding means. their rise was kind of plant-like(same with the legacy push & ridiculously high ratings they always got). again, one of the reasons they got booed.

industry placements = you babbling about them being on martin, on the radio, etc.
 

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another person I gotta bring back down to earth real quick.

I stopped reading at the bolded.

the only person in bizzarro world is you. the same dude that admittedly couldn't even hang out until you were like 18.
and you look like the michellin man, so chill with all the "nikkas" talk.
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wtf are you even talking about?
 

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Kast couldn’t even be in the studio at the same time and the music suffers for that.

And this was before they released Idlewood
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I'm willing to bet most people didn't even notice Aquemini was the last album in which they shared the same booth. That never was a discussion until Kast revealed it.

Not recording together anymore =/= falling off. Big Boi nor 3000 ever fell off. They got better with each album up until Stankonia. That albun was by no means a decline. Was it better than the previous two albums? No. It could go toe to toe with the first though. Stankonia's flaw is that it has too many songs.
 

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Hows not being able to make music together NOT falling off?:gucci:


Growing a part is not falling off. A lot of people don't hang around with a lot of the people they did years ago. Why? The differences between them outweigh the similarities. That's what happened to them. Hardly a fall off. A fall off is when the talent or skill takes a noticeable dive, which clearly wasn't the case.
 
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